Unstyled WC paint scheme

Orange...

51'WD

Orange, orange, orange, everything is orange to include carburator, starter, generator, steering wheel. When I started in this business 50 years ago there were original tractors around yet, they were all orange!!!!!!

I've got 2 brochures, one is original, the other is a copy. The original one is for a High-Speed combine (Earliest All-Crop) and all the WC's in the brochure are orange with black wheels. I also have an excellent reproduction of a early WC brochure and all the photos of it are orange with black wheels. They are real black and white photos, not "color added" like the above photo.

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Edited by CrestonM - 07 Feb 2017 at 3:19pm

I'm pretty sure the brand was Armstrong.

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B91131, WC23065, WD89101, CA29479, B1, Early B10, HB212, 416H

OK, if F&H supplied the rims, how come there are spoke fronts that are 17" Allis rims, and 16" F&H rims?

Not arguing or hijacking, just trying to get the rims figured out. Allis made front rims but not rears??

The mechanic always wins.

B91131, WC23065, WD89101, CA29479, B1, Early B10, HB212, 416H

As said above, lots of orange and then more orange, personally I like black spoke rims correct or not.

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Black is correct..new from factory. They were never orange when new.

We have two catalogs from AC in 1935 and 1937. Both show that tractors with rubber tires had black spoke wheels and steel wheel tractors were orange. As Old Orange Iron stated earlier, some early WC's had green wheels with rubber tires. I know of only one and it is not to far away from me and not for sale.

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they went from black to orange wheels in mid 1936

As Creston stated I believe, the switch happened when the cast centers appeared. ALL F&H SPOKES WERE BLACK. with the exception of the green early wheels...Orange became standard at the onset of cast and pressed steel centers.

Herschal Surrat in West Central Illinois sold an early WC last October at Aumann Auctions and the wheels were green. The auctioneer said they checked and the color was correct for that period.

littlemarv wrote:

OK, if F&H supplied the rims, how come there are spoke fronts that are 17" Allis rims, and 16" F&H rims?

Not arguing or hijacking, just trying to get the rims figured out. Allis made front rims but not rears??

The 17" front spoke wheels were also supplied by F&H and have the same hub casting number as the later 16" replacement wheels that were aftermarket supplied. HC111 is the casting number. All of the factory spoked wheels were made by F&H including the steel wheels.

I have a copy of the drawings for the "Pneumatic Rear Wheel for 'W' Tractor" U2069 from Allis Chalmers Manufacturing Co. The drawings also have notations of changes in design and color changes initialed by an AC employee. The print is a little distorted, but a friend of mine enlarged it and here is what is noted. The drawing is of the spoked 11.25 x 24 air tires. First note is "Wheel Enameled Black" which looks like 2-9-33 initialed by W.F.S., revised on 12-29-33. On 1-25-34 "Enamel Color was Persian Orange" initialed by L.K. Then on 4-16-34 "Color was Olive Green CHG'D DRG to conform to F&H DWG" initialed by W.F.S. Then what looks to be the same date- "Note- color to be approved by A.C. removed. So it would seem that the 1933 Waukesha's through 1-25-34 were enameled black by Allis Chalmers. Then from 1-25-34 Persian Orange was the color from then on. On 4-16-34 Olive Green was suggested but never approved. It looks like F&H had black and green for those who went from steel to rubber.
I have 2 untouched black and white photos of WC's serial # 510 or lower (hinged gas caps) that clearly have the 24" rears and the 17" fronts painted orange. Also page 46 of Norm's book has an early 34 with orange wheels. That being said, there seems to be more photos of WC's with black wheels.

Bottom line in my opinion is to paint your wheels what you like most.

34 WC #477, 38 B #1935, 1-116 on steel, #8 7ft dbl action disc, #9 5ft dbl action disc, 295 Chainsaw

I am not able to load this drawing onto the forum ecclap, but if you PM me with your address I can send you a copy.

34 WC #477, 38 B #1935, 1-116 on steel, #8 7ft dbl action disc, #9 5ft dbl action disc, 295 Chainsaw

Great topic I'm looking to redo our WC, it's a 1937 with F&H spokes in the rear and rims in the front. It was restore originally in the early seventies and refreshed in the early 2000 before I bought it the colour of the rims is a hot topic between the wife and I thxchuck

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