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allisguy.11 
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Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 9:08am |
Got an n7 motor that needs to go into either my 7080 with a bad motor or my 220 with a bad motor. Does anyone have any experience with this? Have seen post on here before about someone putting one into a D21. Thanks in advance!
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Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 2:30pm |
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I've been thinking about doing this also with a Fwa 8000. I believe the crank bolt pattern is the same between the 426 and 516. So just need a rear plate made, then a front brace or plate. Be pretty awesome!
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Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 6:34pm |
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we've gotta decide which one to do. 516 is what should have been in the 7080 anyway!!
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Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 6:39pm |
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I'd say 7080, that way ya don't have to try and mount the hydraulic pump on the engine.
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Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 7:01pm |
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Plus more under hood room in the 7080.
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7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2
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Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 8:30pm |
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This would be good to see,i have a 516 in my m100 allis grader, and always thought why didnt they put this in the bigger models,7080,7580 and n6, a,ll got allis a bad name here for their engine problems
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Posted: 05 Feb 2016 at 12:24pm |
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we are leaning more toward the 7080. going to be a big job but we will overcome problems as we encounter them. Wish me luck!
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Posted: 05 Feb 2016 at 12:27pm |
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luck wished
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Posted: 05 Feb 2016 at 8:04pm |
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I know that KCGrain was planning on putting a 516 into a 7580 at one time. I am not sure if he ever got it done or not, but if he did, he get give you a lot of help, seeing how things between the 7080 and 7580 have a lot of similarities. Darrel
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Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 6:17am |
this angle has been hashed out before in regards to why the 516 wasnt put in the 7580. if i recall correctly, the 516 is an older design, not suited for the rpms needed in the tractors and was not as fuel efficient as the 426. the slower speeds and increased torque would reduce drive train longivity.
there is a loong post about this. probably a couple years back if someone wanted to search.
now would doing it be cool. yes. practical. maby not, but thats not always why things are done.
I do believe the guys at reliance works have done a few of these if i remember correctly.
Edited by CAL(KS) - 06 Feb 2016 at 6:22am
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Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 8:57am |
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The 516 was a slow engine of old design that was a lot more expensive to build. I always thought they should have upped the cubes of the 426 platform, like many of us do on pullers.
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allisguy.11
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Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 10:17am |
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the only reason why I am considering the 7080 is because of the beefier rear.it would be a fun project and I think it would do pretty well in a pull. I have a spare open station platform outback that came off a 7010 we parted out.. I think it would be a pretty cool frankentractor.
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Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 1:12pm |
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Do it. Do it and post lots of pictures of your 7095.
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Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 8:27pm |
Talk to Gary Karlen in Ohio who puts and build these things in pulling tractors etc. Was going to put ion my D 21 puller, but sold the rolling chassis.
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Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 10:10pm |
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Need a combine? It is possible to find an N6 with a bad engine and stick your engine in it and then you will have a big combine on the cheap. Otherwise I vote to stick it in the 7080. Way cool.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2016 at 7:54pm |
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I vote 7080. :)
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Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.
If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help.
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Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 7:04pm |
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7080 would be my vote as well. Please take lots and lots of pictures. It has been my dream too.
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Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 9:37pm |
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Would the frame rails on a 7580 hold the 516?...I think it would cool to see one in either a 7080 or 7580
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Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 10:31pm |
JPG AUSTRALIAThere's A reasons for the engine problems in 7080s, 7580s & N6 combines. Allis- Chalmers engines uses what I call A true fullflow lube system. That means all of the oil from the pump goes through the filters first, then to the pressure regulating valve. that's a great system because all the oil is filtered all the time, but if the filters are not large enough to flow the volume the pump is pumping through them the oil goes through the filter bypass valve & unfiltered oil goes to the main bearings then to the rod bearings.The 7060s, 50s, 40s' & 30s ran 2,300 RPMs rated. The engines in the 7080s, 7580s, N6 combines all ran 2,550 RPMs rated & 2,775 high idle RPMs , that made the oil pump volume go up & the dirty oil was bypassing the filters & going to the bearings.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2016 at 10:37am |
I plan on going through the engine. The way I see it is that the tractor is no good the way it is now and it needs an engine. After I go through it, it wouldn't be a everyday working tractor. Shows, occasional pulls and some discing or something. If I don't wind it up ill be alright for as long as ill have it
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Posted: 27 Feb 2016 at 4:10pm |
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Is a 516 built the same as an 844? Those things are all cast iron and super heavy,,, seems they could've lost some weight some place
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 7:26pm |
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Did this swap happen?or?
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Posted: 03 Dec 2016 at 8:18pm |
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I'm now interested too since I just acquired a later 516 (11000 MKII) on a genet.
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Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 11:09am |
 DougG wrote:
Is a 516 built the same as an 844? Those things are all cast iron and super heavy,,, seems they could've lost some weight some place |
Similarly built. The 344 is a 4 cylinder version of the 516. But all these including the 844 are old BUDA designed engines. Slow and heavy.
Edited by injpumpEd - 04 Dec 2016 at 11:10am
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Posted: 04 Dec 2016 at 5:54pm |
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well we just got our L crawler up and running and the steering clutches done so the 7080 will get shoved in the hole the L came out of. hope to get it in before christmas. stay tuned
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Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 11:30am |
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get this swap going yet?
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Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 2:37pm |
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I know a guy that has put one in a 7580. Says it made a whole new tractor out of it.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 7:14pm |
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well the L restoration is complete as of last week.... if I could figure out how to get pictures on this ^%^%$&*$#&^ page i would love to share. Spent 40 minutes screwing with it and no luck. annnnnyyywayyyyyy... the 7080 project is still next on this list. Ill keep you posted when we start. maybe I can post pictures of the progress.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2017 at 7:17pm |
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I actually tried to move the 7080 the other day... drove it to where it is a year ago. buring oil, smoking, leaking and just plain old wore out. it must have had a hard life. tried starting it and she just spun and spun... like no compression. no smoke. no luck off ether. i think she finally gave up.
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