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Dave H 
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Posted: 05 Jun 2010 at 12:08pm |
Just finished looking over some parts that I tried the nason line of PO #2 on.
I am sold on that stuf on how it laid down and cured out overnight.
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BrettPhillips
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Posted: 05 Jun 2010 at 6:05pm |
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Does the #2 recipe cover any better than the PO #1 version? I painted a 3 pt adapter with NASON in PO #1 and it took a slew of coats to cover well.
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Toscani SD
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Posted: 05 Jun 2010 at 9:52pm |
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you should always use the right color primer sealer before you paint,it will cover easily in 1 or 2 coats,saves alot on paint use and cost,for orange i think its whats called value shade 3 or 4 all it is is a variance of gray sealer from white to dark gray
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Dave H
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Posted: 05 Jun 2010 at 9:58pm |
i used a medium grey two part epoxy primer and three coats and it looked plenty thick on the metal - and very smooth also.
Was able to hang the third coat heavier than the second one.
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JC-WI
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 1:26am |
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Question is, what will that NASON paint look like in 5-10-20-30-50 years from now. will it fade chip peel or scratch easily?
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Glockhead SWMI
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 8:17am |
Nasons very low quality. It will look decent but it will not hold up well. Long term is not good. Unfortunately, quality paint is very expensive. I still like Diamont. I have a bike that I painted fifteen years ago that still looks great.
We are spraying BMW's Colorsystem at work now. Full waterbased paint. What a pain in the ass.
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Dave H
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 8:19am |
 JC(WI) wrote:
Question is, what will that NASON paint look like in 5-10-20-30-50 years from now. will it fade chip peel or scratch easily? |
Great humor there. I been drawing social security for 4 years, the paint is full acrylic, and the thing is kept in the barn.
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Glockhead SWMI
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 8:34am |
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Sounds like it will last long enough for you then Dave!
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 12:48pm |
Dave,
I know nothing about brands or qualities of various paints. I do know that a fellow gets what he pays for usually and I prefer paint to last more than just 2 or 3 summers.
years ago had a fellow shoot some red on a wagon, just a couple years later I had a pink wagon.Harumpfff.
Dad had a WD45 painted back in about 1968 by an old mechanicthat took his time painting and that tractor looked sharp for over 30 years. Used Allis's brand of paint on it. That was some very good paint and most of its life it has sat outside here. Like I said, it was some very good paint.
Then when one looks at how much work some put into restoring their tractors, Its a shame to see them fade or whatever in just a few years.
If I ever get my stuff restored and painted, I want it to look good till I am gone or it is gone. 30+ years would be a good start for durability in my opinion.
And I hear ya on the limited income angle too.
I certainly hope it lasts a long time looking good for you. So now wheres the pics? jc
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bigfish_Oh
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 1:03pm |
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I can look back over 20 years and tell what paint I was using when I was painting toys and they stay on the shelf. You notice a big difference from farm store to when I went to NAPA and got a good gallon(it was a little cheaper then).
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1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 2:18pm |
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If you're going to buy Nason paint, just as well go buy the implement enamel at TSC.
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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Dave H
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 3:51pm |
Well i was kinda surprised that I got piled on for being a cheap skate and hosing cheap paint on a restoration.
What is so cheap about using the two part epoxy primer from PPG and finishing with the DuPont nason Fulcril? We are talking full acrylic enamel not synthol or synthetic enamel that is hear about all the time.
So what do the high rollers use for paint on their allis chalmers? Just curious, those out there that have bottomless pockets.
I got a quart being mixed for pick up tomorrow and will post back how cheap it is. But I will drive by the farm store that has van sickle, Majic, valspar synthol, and stuff with the dealer label on it.
So I am open to suggestions that are backed with some facts on alternatives for the same price that are just as good or better.
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Glockhead SWMI
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 5:13pm |
I have had more comebacks spraying dupont than any other paint line. That is where I base my opinion. I wouldn't put Nason on anything I did because my name is on the line. Hell, I am not a big fan of PPG either. Just personal preference. I like Diamont the best as a middle of the road paint. Standox seems to be pretty good so far too.
I don't think anyone is judging you based on your paint preference. It meets your needs and is priced right for you. If your happy thats what matters. Just remember that when it fades or peels off, you chose Nason.
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Gary in da UP
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 7:01pm |
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Dave, Even tho I have never used Nason, I see no problem with your choice as it is far superior to any of the Tisco or valspar paints which are really "implement quality" paints.I have seen a few tractors painted with Nason , I don't know if they were acrylic enamel or acrylic urathane, and they looked good. Nason and PPG's Omni and Sherwin- Williams Dimension are those companys "value" lines and are generally made with cheaper binders and pigments, not a bad thing, but usually coverage suffers and where a premium paint may cover with two coats , you may need 3 for coverage and a 4th , just to be sure. I haven't used any Dupont products since the late 70's, when PPG became readily available I switched . About 12 years ago I looked at the systems for Dupont, PPG, and S-W again and switched to Sherwin-Williams and have not been disappointed using their premium line for automotive and the Dimension line for everything else. I do not mix and match, ever . Primers, sealers paints and clears if needed are all from one company. In my exprience Dupont has had the poorest customer service, S-W has had the best I have seen in the 40 years I have painted, that means a lot to a shop, to a casual painter you need a good jobber to mix your paint and answer questions. The cheap paints have poor quality and no support, they sell only because of price. I would have to agree with Glockhead , the guys that have problems are using Dupont.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 7:16pm |
I will be sold on it when I see it 5-10 years from now and have seen how it has held up, like the others on here. You get what you pay for. For a tractor that someone is going to use abuse and not care about, sure, go out and buy cheap paint. But if your someone who takes care of your equipment that you have bought with your VERY HARD earned money, and takes care of it so that it will last you for years to come with no problems, go with a good paint. Prior Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance. The way anything that is painted will look good is with Prior Proper Preparation on the things that are being painted. Use a good primer, take the time to do the needed body work, sand your primer, use a QUALITY PAINT and do a good job. Don't do a half A**ed job because all you'll get is a half A**ed looking finished product a few years down the road. I say VERY hard earned money because I am 18 years old and have WORKED for all the tractors and equipment I currently own with the exception of my fathers B which was the one that got the passion started.
Rant/Story/Facts over.
Edited by morton(pa) - 06 Jun 2010 at 7:18pm
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Gary in da UP
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 7:19pm |
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So what is YOUR paint system, Morton? I have seen paint fail that was top of the line , and seen some tractors painted with a brush that looked pretty darn good. Nobody would disagee with you that days of prep pay off , just like a Thanksgiving dinner you wolf down in 20 minutes , the prep took waaay longer.Just would like to know what you use and why.
Edited by Gary in da UP - 06 Jun 2010 at 7:50pm
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Posted: 06 Jun 2010 at 7:34pm |
Gary, appreciate your input. I had been using OMNI on the prior two jobs but ran into hardening problems with no advise or support from the supplier and with always the inference that I mixed it wrong or something. i had to walk on that place and low and behold it went belly up shortly there after, obviously had nothing to do with me.
If I ever do another tractor I will look into Sherman Williams, it just depends on the availability of a reptable supplier.
I also would be intereted in wht top of the line system morton is going with.
Edited by Dave H - 06 Jun 2010 at 7:35pm
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