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Hurricane Allis 
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 11:55am |
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Can anyone tell me if a 190XT Gas engine would anyway shape or form fit into a D17? How much horsepower do you think a D17 running gear hold up to? There is a couple of Oliver 88's in our area with 1850 gas engines ruling the roost in the 4500lb to 7500lb open classes. I would like to see a D17 on steriods get their attention:) Thanks for any info!
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Charlie175
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 1:41pm |
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I assume you have 1959 production rules?
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
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Charlie175
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 1:44pm |
There is a WD45 running a Turbo 301 pushing over 100 hp locally that has had no issues with the rear end. It did shear an axle though.
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD
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Hurricane Allis
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 9:33pm |
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Is there alot of difference between the D19 gas engine and the 190xt 301 gas engine?
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D-17_Dave
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Posted: 03 Oct 2012 at 10:59pm |
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Huge difference between the 262 gas and a 301. We've covered this topic before and for the money I'd get a combine adapter and drop in a Chevy 292 as there's lots of mods available and they make tons of power.
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Hurricane Allis
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Posted: 04 Oct 2012 at 7:23am |
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Now you 're getting my attention! It is going to have to be pretty beefy as I know these Olivers are starting out with a 90+hp gas engine out of an 1850 and then port/polishing the head, one is even stroked with defferent cam, so I know probably well into the mid 100hp range anyway. I'm know stranger to making horsepower on the GM Big Block V8 side but the buzzn half dozen I 'm just starting to get my feet wet!..
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cornbinder
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Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 5:34am |
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A chevy 292 is probably 140-150 h.p. Stock. Only problem I see is rpm's the 292 makes that kind of power at a lot higher rpms that the oliver 1850 engines your talking about.
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BennyLumpkin
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Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 2:00pm |
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Cam should take care of the rpm/hp issue with the 292. Just need a grind to help with low end torque. I'd just build a stout 226 or 262 to stay all orange.
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Central PA Allis Express
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mlpankey
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Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 2:15pm |
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A 292 chevy is still disadvantaged against the cubic inches you can get out of the oliver.then theres the red diamond 500 inch for the ih. A stroked 426 converted to alky would be the engine that got the rules changed.
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Butch(OH)
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Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 3:27pm |
Allis had that tractor from the factory, they called it a 180, Ya I know its a 265 but wondering if a 180 chasis plus a 301 and d17 sheetmetal would be a easier/better route?
I agree about the cubes if those Olivers are as big as the outlaw Olivers around these parts.
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mlpankey
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Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 4:45pm |
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I have gave some serious thoughts on upsetting the rules some.the 426 should or since combines had v8 chevies a person could get around the no v8 clause by milling one bank off a a 632in bbc to make a stought little four banger or just put the big oliver wakeshau in the allis since they were purchased and merged.
Edited by mlpankey - 08 Oct 2012 at 4:51pm
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Mrgoodwrench
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Posted: 08 Oct 2012 at 4:54pm |
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butch...the 180 diesels are 301 so it will definatly bolt up a gasser
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