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    Posted: 16 Nov 2011 at 5:37pm
Two letters that when you see them you think immediately of Ford.  Anyway, I went to look at one today.  It has the Sherman (under-drive?) tranny, engine is locked up, but otherwise looks pretty clean.  The owner started tearing it down to work on the mag, lost interest, then died.  I think it has set for about 3 years or so.  It comes with a Ford sickle mower, back blade, 2 btm plow and springtooth. The son and mother have no idea what the worth of it is....and I  really don't either. What would you offer?
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Couple of interesting things., if it has a step down that is not very common along with a magneto.  I know some mags are out there but have never seen one.
 
I would think 500 absolute tops.  I winched mine on a trailer with the sherman hi/low and new tires on the back, motor stuck for 600.
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Sure it's an 8N? How many speeds forward? The only time I ever saw a magneto on a Ford was a wartime 2N. You may have a common front mount distributor. Most Shermans installed in Fords were "step-up's", but some 8N's had step-down reductions installed. Mostly to slow down reverse and third gear.
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My 2N has a step-down, not what I consider useful. When you drop it into low the PTO speed drops along with the ground speed so you don't really gain anything. If the ground speed dropped and the PTO stayed at 540, that would be useful. Just my opinion. Now putting a step-down on my Speed Patrol would be great since you don't use the PTO.
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Eldon, those are two letters that make me think other things along with Ford. One is RUN!!!!
Just kidding, they can be very useful little tractors, just don't expect them to perform like a 175. Had a lot of experience with ignition work and carb work on the one we have.
It was a real PITA, as it has a FEL on it. Fun to steer with a bucket full of something.
I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me!
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8n is four speed, 9N and 2N were 3 three speed. 8N has a ball work steering gear, 9N and 2N have bevel gears so kick HARD.

Most have coil ignition on the front of the block driven directly by the cam shaft. Like 36 Ford V-8 and no easier to work on. The last year of 8N had a side distributor.

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Originally posted by steelwheelAcjim steelwheelAcjim wrote:

Sure it's an 8N? How many speeds forward? The only time I ever saw a magneto on a Ford was a wartime 2N. You may have a common front mount distributor. Most Shermans installed in Fords were "step-up's", but some 8N's had step-down reductions installed. Mostly to slow down reverse and third gear.
Well it didn't look like a distributor, but might have been.  It looked like a square box, nothing round like I am used to....lots of grease and grime, so maybe I missed something. The Sherman shift lever wasn't the painted grey or red, and I read somewhere that the under-drive lever was bronze?
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Originally posted by Gerald J. Gerald J. wrote:

8n is four speed, 9N and 2N were 3 three speed. 8N has a ball work steering gear, 9N and 2N have bevel gears so kick HARD.

Most have coil ignition on the front of the block driven directly by the cam shaft. Like 36 Ford V-8 and no easier to work on. The last year of 8N had a side distributor.
Can't remember seeing a coil....

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If the engine didn't have any problems other than the ignition, I wouldn't think it would lock up sitting for only three years; my WD sat for sixteen years between the time Grandpa couldn't climb on it any longer and when I finally got around to working on it after I retired from the Navy, and it wasn't stuck.
 
9N and 8N tractors are okay for pulling a wagon around fixing fences and blading a driveway, but aren't much good for running a brushhog. They make good starter tractors, a person buys one for their hobby farm, uses it for a year then realizes there are a lot better utility tractors out there.
 
If you can get it cheaply and get it running for less than 1500; you can make some money on it, people give a lot more money for these than they are worth for farmettes.
 
I don't remember what the lever was made of on the Sherman overdrive that was on our 9N, but the knob was aluminum, and it was synchronized; very handy for taking off in road gear with a loader, start moving in third and shift to high after rolling about six feet. The tractor did not like taking off in third high with a loader on it.
 
Also with 11-28's on the rear a 9N (and I assume an 8N) will go in excess of twenty mph, scary with brakes on both sides (9N), the 8N has both brakes on the right side.
 
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Eldon If the price is right grab it .You can always get your money out of those .
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With implements about $1200 range.
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Wonder why on earth anyone wouls step-up the gears on an 8N. An 8N doesn't have the B&!!5 to handle the gears it has, much less a higher ratio.....Unless I think on some it also steps up the PTO speed as well?????

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There were three versions of the 8N Sherman. Down, Up, and both. I don't know how to tell them apart without it running. Up was handy for road transport.

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I would offer $500 you have that alone in implements so you can always sell those to fund the project.  Any pictures of the tractor so we could see if its a 8N or not?
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I just have some pictures a friend of the family gave me.  He is the one that contacted me...was a produce customer of mine and noted all of my tractors sitting around. Anyway, we can't find a serial number tag, but there is an 8N - xxxxx stamped on the motor. My mother's dad farmed around 600 acres with 3 8N's back in the 50's and 60's. He did have a WC, but the cornpicker stayed on it all year (imagine that!).  He lived a mile south of us, I remember he would always drive the same tractor over to visit. It had real skinny front tires and he told me it had a fast road gear, I'm thinking it was the only one with a Sherman transmission. I see on TractorData it shows over 21 mph in 4th High....that would be moving pretty fast on one of those tractors!  I asked the son what they wanted for the package and he acted like they didn't know....but on the way home the friend told me they were thinking $1500.
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The number you see stamped on the motor is the tractor serial number, if it still has the original engine. I put a Sherman step up on an 8N a while back. There is a John Smith that has just about all of the info on Sherman units as well as the other companies that made step up and down boxes. I'll try to remember to find the stuff I printed off with his web site on it tonight, or go to YTMAG and ask on the 8N page.
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Must be this site http://www.oldfordtractors.com/index.html I've been checking it out....very interesting stuff.
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I know there are haters out there in the world, but our farm growing up in the 1960's, early 70's was powered by a single 8N Ford. We had some Ford/Dearborn implements, but has a JD 2 bottom plow and a JD ground drive manure spreader. We baled with an IH 46 baler and picked the bales off the ground. We also had a JD 594 side delivery rake, to go with the Ford 501 mower. The Woods Brothers/Dearborn corn picker was modified so us kids could walk along beside with 5 gal buckets to catch the corn. Picked corn on Christmas day once. We initially had a Massey Clipper combine with a Wisconsin engine, but I bought an All Crop 60 when I was 17 yrs old.
 
When I was graduating, Dad bought his "big" tractor, a Massey 175. He also bought a MF 300 combine w/ a 2 row corn head and a 10 ft. grain platform.
 
I stll have Dad's 8N and all the memories that go with.
 
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sorry but i would never do $1500 for that most I could do for that package would be $800-$1000 and that would be making no money if you resold
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FWIW I just bought an 8N in great condition for $1800 and drove it home.
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It should be noted that was just the tractor and no Sherman step up.
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Didn't see it had a Sherman there worth about $500
Ford sickle mower, $200
back blade, $150
2 btm plow $200
springtooth $200
and the tractor is praubly worth 300-500
So it's worth close to $1800 I just wouldn't wanna pay that for it
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I'll add that it must be than the N tractors were very easy to drive why people want them. That and a low center of gravity makes them a little tougher to upset.
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Originally posted by Eldon (WA) Eldon (WA) wrote:

Must be this site http://www.oldfordtractors.com/index.html I've been checking it out....very interesting stuff.
Yep, that's it. On YT, there is Dell and Soundguy that seem to know these things well.
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Hitching to the upper link pivot was quite effective and flipping any three point tractor over the rear axle. And usually deadly.

I had and 8N and it was more of a toy than a working machine. My later MF-135 has more than twice the HP and weight in about the same size package and does real work, competing well with the WD. But with 12 speeds forward and 4 reverse its handier in the field. Traction control was an option but I've only seen it in the operator's manual, never in person.

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The front mount distributer  cap had the spark plug wires come off the side, two on each side, that is the sqare looking distributer cap.
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I can tell you a story about how they can be locked up even with the carb where it is and under motor exhaust.
 
I bought one that was stuck and found out that the reason it could get moisture in it and rust up was that the manifold was cracked.  Apparently it was run that way until it finally came to rest.  Two valves were rusted up tight.
 
It has the sherman combo on it that needed work and you could read the size on the cleats on the rear tires.
 
Unless you are gonna knock it in the head and start working at selling parts, I think the 1500 is too high.  Just me though.
 
Questions come up like how do you know the sherman is worth anything if the tractor is not running?
 
A bit of trivia here.  I think the first side mount was 50 and the last of course was 52.  53 was the advent of the red tiger engine on the Jubilee
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I don't know about Fords but I've seen Shermans for Allis go for $250-$500 by them selves. I think with equipment that comes with it and the Sherman it would sell for $1500 around here even with engine locked up. There is a big following for the little Fords(not me though).
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Speaking fo sites to visit for 8N info.  I do not use YT anymore.  I left a long time ago because of Dell's childish jibberish and the following he has.  Any I did so state when I left.
 
In the mean time I found this site and check it two times a day.
 
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Best I could tell, only the last year of 8N production had the side distributor. The front distributor led to distributor maintenance only when it quit running, not when it just needed points cleaned and adjusted. The N engine was essentially half a 36 Ford car V-8 which had the same front mounted distributor and got the same "loving" care.

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