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    Posted: 11 Sep 2011 at 9:05pm
i am in my first year of FFA in my school.. i want to get them to restore a tractor.  whats your thoughts? what was your FFA projects. i also have to do an FFA record book/ project wich is going to be my 38 wc.

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wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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also what is a good tractor to restore that will be cheap in parts and easy to sell raffle tickets on?
wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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WC-WD-b-c, are cheap and plentifull, lots of parts. That green stuff is pricie$$$$$$. B and C would probably be easiest to restore, early B no electric small tires etc. would be cheap.
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When I was in high school a few years back, we restored a 1936 John Deere A. It looked like a heap but a local farmer practically gave it to our FFA chapter. I have many fond memories of working on that A - replacing rear axle seals, shimming the crank, sanding, redoing the brakes, applying decals... I was the first to get it to fire. Sounded like a gunshot; scared the class next to the ag shop and really scared the girl I was talking to while turning over the flywheel. Someone put the distributor/fan drive housing back on and mistimed the gears, so when we tried to fire it up it shot about a 5 foot flame out of the stack. Made for some great pictures! Even being an AC guy, if I ever come across a cheap two-cylinder (yeah right) I would get it in a heartbeat. I believe my great-grandfather had a D, so it would be neat to restore one but there's no way I can afford it right now. JD parts are expensive like JM said! Titan donated new tires all around but I think that's only if the FFA chapter owns the tractor (they won't give free tires to an individual member).

If you're going to do an AC, go with a B, C, or WC for the first restoration. When everyone gets some experience then you can start thinking about a more complicated (and expensive) tractor. Again I'm with JM - an early B would be good. I got my 1939 B running without much additional money. Not having an electrical system sure saves a lot of money.
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I agree with JM!  Find any of those models, but please understand something, while JM is correct about cheap, it is still realative, it is cheaper, but not $1000.00 cheap.
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To do a restoration that someone would be willing to buy raffle tickets for you are going to wrap up some pretty significant money. That means a lot of new parts and a pretty extensive teardown and renewal of anything that isn't up to par. Put a budget together, that should be the first thing you do before buying anything and turning the first wrench.
 
Findout what and who your resources are. Local equipment and parts dealers, local mechanics and restorers and finally maybe your local banker or farm loan agency. My guess is that you will have a budget in the $3000 to $4000 range for any tractor you attempt.
 
Seek donations from all of your resources and don't be afraid to ask for help when you get in a tough spot.
 
I always like to help out the local FFA and 4H kids, but I am also most disappointed when they don't follow through because the whole "team" wasn't involved or most everyone lost interest because it was a long and involved project.
 
Good luck, and be sure to post back with your results.
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I would say an old WC there is nothing to them, can be bought really cheap, and would be easy to work on.
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I would go with an electric start for the resale value.  I would think tickets would sell better than a crank start.  A CA would be a good one, they are popular, have full electrics and hydralics, and parts should be cheap. plentiful, and available.  The initial cost would be a few hundred dollars higher, but tickets should sell like hotcakes.
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Originally posted by wjohn wjohn wrote:

When I was in high school a few years back, we restored a 1936 John Deere A. It looked like a heap but a local farmer practically gave it to our FFA chapter. I have many fond memories of working on that A - replacing rear axle seals, shimming the crank, sanding, redoing the brakes, applying decals... I was the first to get it to fire. Sounded like a gunshot; scared the class next to the ag shop and really scared the girl I was talking to while turning over the flywheel. Someone put the distributor/fan drive housing back on and mistimed the gears, so when we tried to fire it up it shot about a 5 foot flame out of the stack. Made for some great pictures! Even being an AC guy, if I ever come across a cheap two-cylinder (yeah right) I would get it in a heartbeat. I believe my great-grandfather had a D, so it would be neat to restore one but there's no way I can afford it right now. JD parts are expensive like JM said! Titan donated new tires all around but I think that's only if the FFA chapter owns the tractor (they won't give free tires to an individual member).
Titan does donate tires to 4H/FFA projects. They do have an application/approval process you have to go through. At the Ia State Fair, I'll bet there were nearly 100 tractors, and I could have counted on one hand the number of tractors that didn't have new Titan/Goodyear tires.
If you're going to do an AC, go with a B, C, or WC for the first restoration. When everyone gets some experience then you can start thinking about a more complicated (and expensive) tractor. Again I'm with JM - an early B would be good. I got my 1939 B running without much additional money. Not having an electrical system sure saves a lot of money.
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FFA has teamed with Chevron and actually has a national tractor restoration contest. You have to document the entire process and follow their criteria. I saw one last year when I had my students at the national FFA convention in Indianapolis.  It was really neat and educational. Ask your advisor or go to FFA . org for more information. I think its great that so many young people are taking an interest in old tractors.
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i didnt get to ask my advisor about doing a tractor but i think i will ask him tomarrow.
wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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He should be able to get any info. Your shop class could even do it as a project or fund raiser. Im sure some local businesses would help out.  Check out www.delotractorrestorationcompetition.com.
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Everyone needs to go to the delo site and vote for the wd45
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I'm in my third year of FFA. Way to go for joining the largest youth organization in the US! Talk to your advisor or anyone on your chapter officer team. Let them know that your interested. Impress you advisor, get a budget together, get a group that are all on the same page, and do a presentation. Have fun and Get Involved!!
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If you get this thing going with chapter and advisor behind you,I have a CA that runs now, that I will donate. Father FFA boy 1927- myself in 1960- son in 1984 Good luck       Henry
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My old boss has been a judge in the Chevron FFA Nationals for several years. About 6 or 8 years ago we featured Ford tractors at our fall working show and our office manager called Chevron with a request for donations to bring the FFA winning tractor( a Ford) to our show. It was like, if we would have asked for more, they would have donated it. Chevron paid to have the tractor shipped from Texas to Illinois and also paid for the students in that chapter's travel expenses to come to the show.
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Originally posted by Sam T-Ga Sam T-Ga wrote:

Everyone needs to go to the delo site and vote for the wd45

Somebody needs to contact the Buckeye FFA team and explain that you don't shift gears with the hand clutch. It looks like he's grinding it in gear when he pulls it out of one gear and starts bouncing the shifter to get it back into a different gear.
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My daughter and 2 other girls in her chapter are doing the delo restoration contest. They had a. Massey Harris 44-6 given to them to do. They guys helping oversee has done a few of these and one former girl did an Oliver 90 and had 3rd overall. They are just getting going on it and the chapter will raffle off after its done and keep all the proceeds

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Going to get off topic here, but on my dad's WD and WD45 you can shift with the hand clutch.  I've done rolling shifts with my hand clutch "feeling" the gears and grind ocassionally, but dad's will come to a dead stop to shift.
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Originally posted by AaronSEIA AaronSEIA wrote:

Going to get off topic here, but on my dad's WD and WD45 you can shift with the hand clutch.  I've done rolling shifts with my hand clutch "feeling" the gears and grind ocassionally, but dad's will come to a dead stop to shift.
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I shift with the hand clutch all the time plowing snow, but I come to a complete stop and shift without pausing from 2nd to reverse or the other way around. In the video it appears he pulls it out of one gear, pauses and then starts bouncing the shifter forward till it goes in gear. Then some people wonder why the transmissions pop out of gear after 40  or 50 years of abuse.
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I shift with the hand clutch all the time when plowing snow, usually from reverse to third, seldom do I grind a gear.  The secret seems to be the use of "Universal trans-hydralic" oil in the hand clutch instead of the heavier grease from the 50's.
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Another tip is tap FFA alumni for donations toward the project.
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Originally posted by TedBuiskerN.IL. TedBuiskerN.IL. wrote:

Another tip is tap FFA alumni for donations toward the project.
one of our biggest alumni members is an ac guy.!!!
wd with a freeman model 90 trip loader, wd45, 38 unstylled wc, b 10 garden tractor and 2-14 ac trip plow. grandpa has a 56 wd45. wd. allis chalmers snap coupler blade and 3 bottom snap coupler plow
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Originally posted by Henry se/k! Henry se/k! wrote:


If you get this thing going with chapter and advisor behind you,I have a CA that runs now, that I will donate. Father FFA boy 1927- myself in 1960- son in 1984 Good luck       Henry
only one problem with that henry im in illinois and your in kansas!
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