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    Posted: 27 Nov 2010 at 8:26pm

Went from my home in Georgia to my parent's farm in Indiana for the annual Thanksgiving family get-together.  It was great to see my folks and brothers plus the trip gave me the opportunity to get G5782 from Dad's barn and bring it to Georgia where I can play with it.

It was my first time using my new acquired trailer for the purpose it was purchased for.  The trip went well and, on the way back while on I-65 in Alabama, G5782 passed less than 50 miles from the place {Gadsden, AL} she was born 61 years ago.
 
I hope to bring G20304 from Indiana to Peachtree City, GA in the near future.
 
Pictures follow - Happy holidays to all!
 
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All very nice!  Nice tractor, Nice trailer, Nice barn, Nice land & Nice truck (I have the almost the exact same one, except I have the 6' bed).  Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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glad you got her home ok! She looks good from here.
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Nice G. You have a different hydralic set up on it. I see 2 levers.
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Nice looking G.
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Bob,
 
This tractor was purchased from a neighbor a couple of years ago.  We didn't use this one on the farm.  It has a home-made hydraulic system on it.  I have driven it but I haven't messed with the hydraulic system to see how (or if) it works.  The hydraulic pressure is supplied by a car power steering pump driven by an extra pulley on the crankshaft pulley.
 
Also, for reasons not clear to me, at some point the tractor was changed from a 6-volt positive ground to a 6-volt negative ground.
 
When I picked the tractor up, the battery was dead.  Rather than mess with that with time limited by the holiday, I used my winch to get it on the trailer and just rolled it into my shop in Georgia when I got home.
 
Usually when I was in Indiana visiting my time would be spent doing chores for my folks and visiting.  Now, with the tractor here, perhaps I will be able to do a little tinkering.
 
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Ryan,
 
Thanks for the kind words.  There aren't too many old barns left and dad has sunk a lot of money in keeping that one standing.  He likes it a lot.
 
I got the truck in November 1999 so, amazingly, it is 11 years old.  For my needs it is almost perfect.  I got it with a 6 cylinder engine so I felt I needed to go with as light a trailer as possible - hence the Aluma.  I would say, based on the trip, the decision to go light was prudent.  The truck performed well with this setup but there wasn't too much extra.  I took a route through Alabama that added about an hour to the journey to avoid I-24's steep terrain west of Chattanooga, TN.   Perhaps she would have done OK but I preferred to try a less challenging route for my first haul.
 
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Scott, I like that trailer.  With the wheels out like that the G looks even moreso like a giant spider.  Herb
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Originally posted by JoeM(GA) JoeM(GA) wrote:

glad you got her home ok! She looks good from here.
 
Thanks Joe!  Hope you had a great Turkey Day!
 
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Nice looking G. 
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Originally posted by Herb(GA) Herb(GA) wrote:

Scott, I like that trailer.  With the wheels out like that the G looks even moreso like a giant spider.  Herb
 
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving Herb!
 
The farmers tended to set the G up wide where we farmed.  I should ask dad why they did that but, if I had to guess, it may have been due to the way we layed out the fields for planting melons.
 
We used the distance between the G's tires as the distance between rows of canteloupes.  We would mark out the whole field in a grid pattern using the G driving back and forth across the field.  Then we used the tracks to locate the forrow as well as the location to set the transplanted plant.
 
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Originally posted by RyanTN RyanTN wrote:

All very nice!  Nice tractor, Nice trailer, Nice barn, Nice land & Nice truck (I have the almost the exact same one, except I have the 6' bed).  Thanks for sharing the pictures.
 
A better picture of the barn.
 
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I pull up to 4900 pounds behind my '98 F-150 with 4.6L and a manual transmission. I have cheated, though, I changed the 3.08 gears to 4.10 so it can pull. It was rated at 2300 pounds trailer with the factory gears. The empty truck is supposed to weigh 4300 pounds and I've crossed the scale at the elevator with a wagon of beans where the total was 11,000 pounds but I only rate GCW as 9900 pounds. Based the wheel torque increase from the optional 3.53 gears to 4.10. The GCW based on the rating with the 3.08 gears is lower. They geared it too slow for the over head cam engines setting them up to run about 2500 at 65 when their hp peak is at 5700 RPM. With my 3200 pound Airstream on the hitch I've not found a hill that I couldn't get up at 50 that I wanted to get to the top at 50. That's screaming in third gear though. I've hauled 325 gallons of 32% UAN many times on my 4 wheel flat bed trailer that weighs about 2000 pounds empty and that usually gets a GCW of about 9700 pounds which does WORK the truck but doesn't damage it.

The amazing thing with the gear change which corroborates the too slow gearing is that the truck got 16 mpg with the 3.08 and still gets 16 mpg with the 4.10 unless I take too many mustangs at lights or drive it at 80 in heavy interstate traffic. Occasionally the mileage creaps up to 17 and then it starts pinging, its time to clean the mass air flow sensor thats leaning it out.

I suppose I'll have to drive this truck another 20 years because they quit making reasonably sized 1/2 ton pickups with manual transmissions.

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Gerald,
 
Good morning!  I've got the limited slip differential and a manual transmission on my truck.  Is the 4.10 gear setup the same as a limited slip differential?
 
I did a little research on what my truck would pull and it appears (and I thiink this makes sense) that the real limiter on a manual transmission is the clutch.  I think the pulling weight is based on the clutch's ability to do it's thing from a dead stop.
 
Thanks for your "real-world" experience.  May I ask what the conditions were when you were "screaming in 3rd gear"?  Based on the link I added to my terrain comment in a previous post, the Monteagle, TN I-24 stretch may be the steepest grade in the Interstate system.  I know, I also found it hard to beieve that this grade would be worse than some place in the mountainous west but - I saw it on the Internet!  Ha!
 
On the way back with the tractor on the trailer I estimate it all weighed around 2300 pounds.  At 70 mph I think aerodynamic drag was a much bigger issue than weight.  Ha!
 
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Scott,

Nice G!!!! I love your new trailer too!!

What part of Indiana? 

 
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The 4.10 gear ratio lets the engine spin faster for any given ground speed and start a combination load more than 4/3 times that with the 3.08 gears. I didn't go for limited slip. It also reduces the torque at the clutch by 3/4 for any given required wheel thrust. Without trailer I generally start out in 2nd gear, but don't lay on the throttle until the clutch is engaged solidly, else a bit of sand will let a rear tire break loose and it gets noisy and doesn't accelerate as quickly. I have practically the same ratio engine to tire in 2nd gear as the stock truck had in first gear.

Yes the towing rating is based on how much it will start going up hill. The manual transmission first gear ratio is 3.9:1. Low gear in an automatic transmission is 3:1 plus the torque converter can give another 2:1 for starting to get 6:1 from engine to drive shaft, that's why they rate an automatic at a greater towing load. So the automatic with a 3.08 axle gets about 18:1 from engine to rear wheel, I get 16:1.

My engine turns 4 revolutions for every three the stock engine does, so it wears faster, but it pulls good.

I haven't computed it lately and don't have a tachometer, but I think 50 mph in 3rd gear with my rear axle is running the engine about 4500 RPM. So far all the hills I've found that I couldn't hold it up to 50 going up I didn't want to get up that fast because they were crooked and it wasn't clear from down below that I could turn the corners at 50 without dumping the bed clothes in the floor back in the trailer. The trailer suspension is stiff so I don't pull it over 52 on level roads. Costs me 1 mpg that way, I get 15 with that trailer which is quite aerodynamic.

Lately I've been pulling a 4x6 box trailer a lot and that has affected mileage a little, might be that I should grease the wheel wearings this century. I'm going to get that job finished in a couple days and cut down on my driving a whole lot.

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Gerald,
 
Thanks for your thoughtful post.  From a few miles south of Princeton, IN (Highway 41 - I-64 Junction) to Decatur, AL I got about 12 3/4 MPG.  Conditions were clear & somewhat cool (around 40) at 70 MPH for the most part.  There are some repetitive hills south of Nashville on I-65 that I had to downshift from 5th gear for a few times.  The truck empty would probably get around 18-19 MPG under those conditions.  Dragging the empty trailer north with the ramp almost flat on the deck I got 17 MPG.
 
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My folk's farm is about 5 miles south of Vincennes, IN - located in the Southwest part of the state.
 
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Scott
 
Originally posted by clovis clovis wrote:

Scott,

Nice G!!!! I love your new trailer too!!

What part of Indiana? 

 
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