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Joe(OH) 
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 Topic: 190 on a cyclo planter
Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 7:44am |
I have a 4 row International cyclo I use for sweet corn and pumpkins. I dont want to use the pto pump on the 190. Will a 190 run a cyclo blower off the remotes? Or should I hook up to something else?
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jiminnd
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Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 10:26am |
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Why not the pto pump? The one I had used the direct pto driven fan so I don't have any experience with pto pump but that is what they are for.
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Orange Blood
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Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 9:17pm |
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We used to run a cyclo 6 row on an XT, and you need to PTO pump IMO.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 7:18am |
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I don't know the numbers but I'm pretty sure your 190 does not have enough hydraulic flow to run that planter
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DrAllis
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 7:36am |
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Using the hydraulic pump on any tractor to power any orbit motor ain't for free. Eventually you will have to spend some $$$$$ on the pump from continuous use like that. Use the PTO pump. That's what it was made for.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 7:07pm |
This is in the "ball park" of my earlier post of "over complicating" a planter whether with hydraulics OR electric blower motors  !! Our ground drive JD 7000 is becoming more appealing every day  !!
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DrAllis
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 7:14pm |
Well, you've got a pretty darn good corn planter for sure. They are also famous for being the absolute WORST singulation planter for soybeans !! You haven't figured that out yet ??
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 7:34pm |
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What's the track record for a blow job Allis for beans ?? we run a Kinze brush meter for beans on 30" rows , and use an IH 510 drill on 14" rows ( 7" spacing on our drill). I've read that "singulation" on bean seed is moot ??
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 7:49pm |
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Allis air planter in soybeans is as good as Kinze brush meters and FAR better than the bean cups of a Deere planter.
Singulation is indeed important when you have a Deere bean cup dribble 15 beans to the foot compared to 9 beans to the foot of a Kinze brush meter or an Ac air planter. If you change your ground speed on a Deere bean cup it changes the rate per acre !! Nice design !!
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Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 9:19pm |
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Cyclo's suck! --- fought uncles 400 -- 8 row for 4 years---it however was direct pto drive---no hyd. pump in between. -- still was a nasty planter. one uncle called planting with a shotgun!
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 1:50am |
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Joe(OH)
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 10:26am |
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The Amish think tractors are too complicated too, but I think I'll stick with them. Just because YOU don't understand something doesn't mean that its wrong. I use a DA 385 for corn, a cyclo for beans, and now I'm experimenting with one for sweet corn and pumpkins since its super simple to change out seed.
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Posted: 27 Apr 2021 at 6:58pm |
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My Allis 330 with 78 units was more accurate than our 7000 for sure. Deere was easier to set depth. I have a White 5100 now. It's accurate and all but it is complicated to set the population and it is very tongue heavy and very clumsy compared to either the Allis or the Deere. The White and Deere for me always picked up rocks that would get stuck in between the lift wheels and a unit. The White was really bad at that until I put special rock guards on it. The Allis never once did that.
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