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    Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 3:01pm
I recently inherited my Papaw McDaniel’s Allis Chalmers model B tractor. From the time I was old enough to climb up on it I’ve played with it. Papaw unfortunately passed when I was young so I never got to help him on the farm and using the tractor. 

The B has always been a runner. There’s never been a time when it fell into disrepair and wasn’t operational. 

I can’t decide whether to restore it or just get it mechanically solid and leave the patina. 

I want to know more about it as far as what year model it is. It has the small gas tank for gasoline but my uncle said they’ve never ran kerosene in it. Always just been a gas tractor. 

Someone please point me to a good source for researching these so I can know what it is I’ve got here.


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Welcome!

Here is an interesting read that covers the history, development and changes to the B (and related C and CA) over the years.


I'm sure someone will be along shortly, (Gerald, I'm looking at you) to give a link to the manual.
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Originally posted by HoughMade HoughMade wrote:

Welcome!

Here is an interesting read that covers the history, development and changes to the B (and related C and CA) over the years.


I'm sure someone will be along shortly, (Gerald, I'm looking at you) to give a link to the manual.

Thanks so much for the rapid reply
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The serial number is by the shift lever on the transmission.. Should say B xxxxxx . Tell us what the number is.  Also give a picture of each side and we can tell you a lot about your tractor...
Does it have a battery box under the gas tank ?
Does it have foot brakes on the back, or two hand levers by the fenders ?
Does it have a hydraulic pump at the back right side of the axle ?
Does it have a generator on the left front corner of the motor ?
 
The small gas tank is a plus......... probably not a lot of them left around after 70 years.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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 Tried to post a pic. I’ll look it over well and get these questions answered. 

Thanks!


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Welcome to the site.  Some good books on the subject, By Norm swinford, and C.H. Wendell.Wink
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Parris001,
Welcome! The B is a nice tractor, and being a family tractor, anythings you do to keep it operational will be a good thing!

Regards,
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As others have said welcome. This forum has been a great help to me. Always keep a family heirloom if you can. As far as restoring or just keeping it in it's working clothes is entirely up to you. Your tractor do as you please. After you find the serial number go to tractordata.com and you will find some basic info. Oh ya send some pics. If you can't post them email them to me and I would be happy to post them for you! Good Luck.
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I have a shop manual on line at:

http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/Allis-Chalmers-G-B-C-CA-Service.pdf

And a military WW2 manual in that same directory:

http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees

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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

The serial number is by the shift lever on the transmission.. Should say B xxxxxx . Tell us what the number is.  Also give a picture of each side and we can tell you a lot about your tractor...
Does it have a battery box under the gas tank ?
Does it have foot brakes on the back, or two hand levers by the fenders ?
Does it have a hydraulic pump at the back right side of the axle ?
Does it have a generator on the left front corner of the motor ?
 
The small gas tank is a plus......... probably not a lot of them left around after 70 years.

This time of year I leave the house in the dark and return in the dark. So I won’t get to see my new little tractor again in the daylight until this weekend gets here. I did go out in the dark and the rain this morning though and try to get the serial number. I found the casting pad where it says “Tractor No” but I couldn’t make out the number that was stamped. I’ll have to bring sand paper next time. 

The battery box is not under the gas tank. It’s under the steering column right behind the electrical box. It does have brake foot pedals and not hand brakes. I’m not sure about the hydraulic pump, but it does have a generator on the left corner of the motor. Which, doesn’t gen so I’ve got to get it off and take it to Todd’s here in Nashville. 
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To help read the tractor number, shine a flashlight at a low angle. You may need to do that at several places but eventually you see the numbers.
You can also use a dental pick or similar to remove paint from inside the 'numbers'.
A QUICK pass with a wire brush may help....
there may be other 'tricks'.....
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Battery, Generator, Foot brakes........... all GOOD info !
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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unless it’s a rust pile, clean it up and wax it. Patina is a badge of honor.
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Originally posted by 1939Dodge 1939Dodge wrote:

unless it’s a rust pile, clean it up and wax it. Patina is a badge of honor.

I thought about cleaning it up and leaving the patina put laying a fresh set of decals on it. Kind of a contrast of the old and the new. 

I was also thinking about taking advantage of the novelty of making it run on kerosene. But it looks like maybe that took its own unique intake manifold? I realize it makes significantly less horsepower on kerosene (I had a buddy in high school that had a Rambler he ran on kerosene) but thought it might make the tractor a little more interesting. There’s no fuel line attached to the bottom of my little gas tank so it appears this was never used on this piece of equipment. 


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IF you have or could ever find the kero. parts needed, you could convert it just for novelty sake. Does it have starter or hand crank?
I have 3 B's here. 38, 40, and 48.  Interesting little tractors.
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Originally posted by ac fleet ac fleet wrote:

IF you have or could ever find the kero. parts needed, you could convert it just for novelty sake. Does it have starter or hand crank?
I have 3 B's here. 38, 40, and 48.  Interesting little tractors.

It has a starter and I have the hand crank as well. 
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Keep the little tank just for show... Run the tractor on gasoline for good performance.If your paint is half way decent, I like the new decals and polish the old paint !
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Can't go wrong with a Little B. Mines been in the family since my grandfather bought it new in 48. First tractor he had on the farm
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Welcome to the forum. It's good to see another middle Tennessee guy. I have a B as well, fun little tractors. Unless you just want to paint or it looks real bad, I'd say leave it be. Allis folks seem to appreciate them either way.
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So I finally got to see her good in the daylight. The serial number is B57153 so it's a 1942 if I'm reading it right. Started the tractor up and putted around the yard with it. 
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that's right, an early 1942
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what ever you do, SAVE that muffler.......... got to be a classic !
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

what ever you do, SAVE that muffler.......... got to be a classic !

Really?
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NO........... just a bad joke !
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