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Best Return on Improvement to Raw Land?

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    Posted: 17 Nov 2018 at 9:29pm
Not knowing where to best ask this question, I saw the "barn" posting area and thought I'd start here. I have some raw land- 40 acres- some tillable, some woods, some marshy. I'll probably put it on the market in a year or so and was wondering if a building would add significant value to justify the expense.
There's enough space for a pole barn. Or maybe space in addition to that for a 'modular' small house/cabin. Or maybe just two outbuildings? What about building size? Does a bigger pole barn bring a better return on investment? Thanks for any suggestions and thoughts on the matter.

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A building is the LAST thing I would do in improvements o sell any ground. Don't mean to be a smart ass,,,,,,,,, but how could guess which kind of building to do.
Tile ditching,brush removal, lime are improvements that would gain an advantage.
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Originally posted by Dipstick In Dipstick In wrote:

A building is the LAST thing I would do in improvements o sell any ground. Don't mean to be a smart ass,,,,,,,,, but how could guess which kind of building to do.
Tile ditching,brush removal, lime are improvements that would gain an advantage.


Not to worry about sounding bad- that's what I was looking for- an honest opinion.
There's a trashed mobil home on the place now that is on 'solid ground', (tillable) that has to go. The land is mostly for hunting use now. I doubt anyone would use it for anything else. That's why I was thinking small garage even- to use as a huntin' shack..
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Some jurisdictions REQUIRE house FIRST... Then you can add accessory buildings.  Check local planning and zoning regs...
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A good, real, current SURVEY and CLEARLY defined property lines ! We've all heard of horror stories about  this !
KNOWING where the boundaries are is critical, especially before someone builds on the land. There's 37ac for sale across the street here but WHERE it butts up agin the neighbours is  a bit of a guess...
I wouldn't add any building. My luck , it'll be 'too small, wrong location,wrong type, facing east..not south'.... I would invest in making a 'triplewide' driveway and a nice flat parking area. 'triplewide' means a 40' wide entrance across the road ditch. Wide so any construction trailers can get in easily. The parking area needs to be big as well, so tractors,trucks, etc. have room to get around.
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I agree with everything said. We've looked for over a year at land and just cleaning up brush will help a lot. If you have any big erosion issues you might do a little something with those if it's feasible. The other guys hit it on the head with buildings. You can't draw everybody else's picture because their vision is different
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Good demand for this size close to populated areas, especially if it is good site for a home close by.
I would not add, or replace building to sell if of ample size, even a small good building could be added to for shop or hobby use.




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As stated - No buildings! Clean up the brush and other debris to make it more presentable. In your area is 40 acres considered a small tract or large tract according to the real estate market? Small tract - accessibility (location) influences the price more; large tract - soil productivity is a bigger influence. You should be able to find this information at the local tax assessors office if you don't already have it.
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I think where you own the property you would probably not recover the cost of a building. But it could make it easier to sell. Codes and what not have all changed up there. So check with the township about what is required to build. We have our cabin not to far from you. I would clean up the trailers, maybe think about some food plots if you want to play in the dirt. Get used to the property and you may find that you like it! Then put up a building that you will use. Like a friend told me when we bought-Mike the cheapest part of this is the land! He was right.
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Just clean up the property and have good accessibly. You'll never get your money back on putting up a building. When you remove the trailer put an RV drop on the axis ting sewer and a frost free hydrant. I think it cost me $100 when we removed grandmas trailer and I had a place to hookup when I pulled the camper back to visit.
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A guy I know has spent his whole life making a good living just by buying pieces of property, usually in somewhat remote locations. He'll get a shack built quickly to live in, then over the next couple years get water, sewer, and electricity on the place. Get a more livable cabin on the place. Then a barn and some fences up to run a few critters. And by then, usually someone is begging him to sell it to them for a handsome profit. And he'll move onto another piece of property and start all over. Darrel
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Drainage is the only improvement that will return or make sale easier Drain the swamp.
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Originally posted by Dakota Dave Dakota Dave wrote:

Just clean up the property and have good accessibly. You'll never get your money back on putting up a building. When you remove the trailer put an RV drop on the axis ting sewer and a frost free hydrant. I think it cost me $100 when we removed grandmas trailer and I had a place to hookup when I pulled the camper back to visit.

AND keep it mowed, that there makes it look much better, to a potential buyer...Wink
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Originally posted by Gary in da UP Gary in da UP wrote:


Drainage is the only improvement that will return or make sale easier Drain the swamp.


So you may have guessed this'll generate the next question from a newbie like myself- What does one look for in the yellow pages for people that specialize in draining wet areas?
(Ha! When's the last time you heard the term "yellow pages"? Bet many people don't even know what that references!)
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look on ZILLOW, you will see a lot of properties for sale and a lot have smaller buildings like garage size or larger, they put an old stove and sum bunks inside and sell it as a hunting paradise. they usually sell pretty quick that way. make sure the listing says hunting property for sale. a camper with a deck built off the side of it will help sell it too. put sum pics on here, maybe one of us will buy it? I could pull my "machine" up there!
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where in MN you at? any lakes close by?
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Originally posted by JBergie JBergie wrote:

Originally posted by Gary in da UP Gary in da UP wrote:


Drainage is the only improvement that will return or make sale easier Drain the swamp.


So you may have guessed this'll generate the next question from a newbie like myself- What does one look for in the yellow pages for people that specialize in draining wet areas?
(Ha! When's the last time you heard the term "yellow pages"? Bet many people don't even know what that references!)


You might talk to somebody that builds ponds. If they can make water stand they should know how to make it drain. Probably have to involve local government as well
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

where in MN you at? any lakes close by?


In MN we have a lake as often as New York has skyscrapers!
*The land however is in Clark County WI. A two hour drive straight east of Minneapolis/St Paul. I threw out the original question because secretly I was hoping someone would say "pole barn is the simplest, best return".....then I could store my toys there until I sold the place!
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Don't sell to Shameless!!!! My cabin is to close for his machine. You sound pretty committed to selling. You really may like what you have. I really doubt you could drain it. Clean it up, do some mowing and put it on the market. See if there is a demand. Tieman lists a lot of land up there. Talk to Roy G.
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Originally posted by Gary in da UP Gary in da UP wrote:


Drainage is the only improvement that will return or make sale easier Drain the swamp.

I agree that drainage is good & in certain arrangements probably can't put a price on it.
But if property lends itself to conservation, then I'd do the opposite. Go to your local soil conservation service and place the swamp into a wetland bank or government program that yields an annual payment. Check it out though. Some of the Government programs require many hoops be jumped thru to accommodate it.

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Is there any zoning there?   If so, before you remove the house trailer, you may want to check into regulations.  Once it's gone, the next owner possibly couldn't put another one there if it had been vacant without the trailer.  If it is pulled and immediately replaced with another (or a double wide or mfg home), that may be allowed.   Yes the trailer may not look good, but it may leave options open for the next owner.
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Not seeing the land, it's hard to say, but I would either get rid of the swamp or clean it out for a pond/lake. That usually sells property the best. As already stated WIDE access off the road and large clear parking area will help. thanks; ac fleet
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You may run into some problems with draining the wetlands. WI is very specific about what you can do even with the proper permits. The water table where it is is very high. There is water on hills. Lots of spring fed wetlands. Also the wet areas are most times very rock laden also. Clean up what you can and if you want a pole barn build one that you can use part of as a cabin. I am assuming you have water, septic and power on the property? I really think if you are thinking short term do cosmetics first. 
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Originally posted by JBergie JBergie wrote:

Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

where in MN you at? any lakes close by?


In MN we have a lake as often as New York has skyscrapers!
*The land however is in Clark County WI. A two hour drive straight east of Minneapolis/St Paul. I threw out the original question because secretly I was hoping someone would say "pole barn is the simplest, best return".....then I could store my toys there until I sold the place!


If temporary storage is what you're after put a metal carport there. They're cheap and easily moved by you or the next owner.
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I used to know a fellow in another state, he had sum land by a lake, he put up a small pole building, in the times the family was there, they had carpet rolled up against a wall and furniture stacked along the walls, had the boat parked in there, pulled the boat out, unrolled the carpet, put the furniture out and had a instant cabin. before leaving they put it all back up and backed the boat back inside. taxes were a whole lot cheaper that way for a storage building!
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mdm has walked the parcel and has some land near there, so he has probably dealt with WI beauraucracy before! I'll likely hang onto it for a little keeping it as a 'test bed' for my dirt skills. But for sure wouldn't you all agree that brush removal, a little discing, and stump pulling will require a D17 with loader and blade, right?   
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nice to have a small shed.. maybe steel prefab... 24 x 24........ You can park there while hunting, put the D17 in for the week, store a few tools, etc in a lock box , and use as a tent for weekend campout........ not much money, and good use.... use as a base camp while your cleaning, plowing, cutting trees, etc.
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boy bought 40 acres of ground with a house, no garage or barn. We were going to cleanup 4-5 acres , cut trees, move dirt... all I had was a couple "B" tractors at the time. Bought a 16 x 20 steel shed you nail to the ground and put some tin walls on it . About 300 ft from the house. Kept  both tractors, fuel, some tools, winch, etc in the shed for 3-4 months while we cleaned up the area, disc, planted grass, put in a road, and started foundation for pole barn.......... Paid $800 for the building and ended up selling it 6 months later for $500.
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Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

I used to know a fellow in another state, he had sum land by a lake, he put up a small pole building, in the times the family was there, they had carpet rolled up against a wall and furniture stacked along the walls, had the boat parked in there, pulled the boat out, unrolled the carpet, put the furniture out and had a instant cabin. before leaving they put it all back up and backed the boat back inside. taxes were a whole lot cheaper that way for a storage building!

Great idea!

I have a patch of land in some woods by a creek. Always wanted to build a cabin down there but the county has certain "rules" and from what I checked into they wouldn't allow it. "Storage shed" with a packed lime chip floor, maybe. Keep a garden tractor with a mower in it for maintenance of the area. Build it on some railroad ties as skids so it is "portable" and not permanent.

Don't want to get too fancy as the people who hunt the land next door are illiterate. They can't seem to read "No Trespassing" signs on the fence and comprehend what that means. Wouldn't surprise me that if they didn't see any deer that would mean they would have to shoot something which would be my building. 


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