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    Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 9:18pm
Hi all,

Thought I would post some of my recent additions to the collection.  This summer I picked up a 1925 20-35 Allis longfender and a 1929 20-35 shortfender in a package deal.  The parts are all mixed up, the SF front half is on the LF rear half, but most of the parts are there to put both back together.  
Here it the "hybrid" is as found:

And the hybrid cut and dug out:

Here is the LF front half:

Here is the SF rear half:

Got them hauled home earlier this summer:

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Jump ahead to this past week where Dad and I made two trips up to Canada to bring down two more of my 20-35 longfenders that I bought from Phil.  

A 1926:
And hauling it home:

And a 1925:
hauling it home:
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Nice!! I'd like to have a long fender one day. Or maybe a 22-42 "Greyhound Special", even though I've only heard of them, never seen one. 

I like that John Deere grain auger too! Granddad used to have one that had a small (Wisconsin I think) engine to run it. He said it worked pretty good, and would move the grain. 


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So between my three incomplete longfenders, I am going to put together two tractors, a 1925 and a 1926.

This might explain my post about looking into reproducing some longfender parts this winter here for those wondering:

This restoration is going to be a long slow project, but I'll try to keep you updated if there is interest.  If you search YouTube there is a few videos of my adventures getting these.

I'm trying to stop myself from tearing into these until I get my '27 shortfender done first.  But I'll probably work on a few bits and pieces over the winter when I have nothing else to do.
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Wow talk about saving a piece of history.   I have never dug up a tractor before.   That is impressive.
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Nice find ,did u get a set of Longfender front wheels with the tractor. ,I see it has pressed steel on front

Here is the 1925 Longfender That I had for a few years ,I sold it James Coons in Az.



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Just awesome work just getting them dug out and home! I had to look to see the tractor in the first picture! Nice trailer!
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So cool. Thanks for sharing!!!
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Was nice to meet Jacob and his Dad.  I think those two LF Allis have gone to a good home. I decided to pass them on as I have far too many projects and just didn't seem to be able to get to them.  Didn't gain any shed room as they were stored outside!Cry
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Jacob, I have a number of short fender parts, motor and chassis also we make hoods, fenders, and grill guards.
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Originally posted by Fred in Pa Fred in Pa wrote:

Nice find ,did u get a set of Longfender front wheels with the tractor. ,I see it has pressed steel on front

I currently only have the one set of LF front wheels that came with the LF I found here in ND, pictured above.  I am looking for another set of LF front wheels, but I know they are about impossible to find, so as mentioned in my parts reproduction post my buddy Kyle has a set of original LF cuttoff hubs that we will use to reproduce some wheels if it comes to that and there is any demand from other people looking for a set.

So far I have not gotten any interest in front wheels really.  Air washers and oil gauges yes.  I was kind of surprised by this, I thought a few more people would be needing front wheels?  

If anyone needs parts, contact me.Clap
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Originally posted by Darrell G (MN) Darrell G (MN) wrote:

Jacob, I have a number of short fender parts, motor and chassis also we make hoods, fenders, and grill guards.

Good to know!  I had heard that you guys were no longer making sheetmetal parts.  Do you make any LF sheetmetal, or SF only?  

Eventually I will need at minimum two hoods made.  So looking around at options for this.

Can anyone here confirm (besides hole placements for oilers through hood in '26, and air washer holes, etc..) what size/shape the hoods were over the years for the LF's??  Are they the same as 18-30 hoods?  There is a guy in MI making 18-30 hoods this winter but I can not find anyone who knows for sure if they are the same.  

I have also heard there are a few different versions of hoods over the years in terms of the edge lip, etc...  Any info on this is appreciated!

Thanks!
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Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Wow talk about saving a piece of history.   I have never dug up a tractor before.   That is impressive.

Yeah, they were pretty sunk into the ground!  Been sitting there for over 50 years!
Here is a few videos I took of the process.

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/MTt602zsiI4[/TUBE]

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/OukbTs3KQ3c[/TUBE]

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/EYAQkRChZLY[/TUBE]

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/XNj-8wqwzJA[/TUBE]

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/sW7CJ0ne_Lk[/TUBE]

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/Qbxh31j8h0U[/TUBE]

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/ZfvSwBfJFSk[/TUBE]

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Since my '26 is in my backyard for the time being (most likely all winter) I took the opportunity while the weather is still fairly nice to make a little walk around video of it in its as found condition.

Hope you enjoy, I know I like watching videos and looking at pictures!

[TUBE]http://youtu.be/t993B-meU-k[/TUBE]
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I have a minor update to post on the longfender. This afternoon I went down to my basement workshop and got the heads for the '25 longfender tore down. With the exception of pressing out the valve guides the heads are ready to be de-gunked and eventually make there way to a machine shop to be worked over.

That probably won't be for a good long time, as other projects are in line ahead of it, but a guy has to do something to keep himself sane during the winterWhistle And working on house remodel projects just aren't as fun as tractor ones.

Here is the good head.




From what I can see everything appears to be good on it. Just needs the usual stuff fixed like new valve seats, and everything refurfaced.
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And here is the bad head. And I mean BADFrown It's darn near cracked in half. So I'll eventually need to find another good longfender head for this tractor. Fortunately I have some time to do so, but if anyone has a good one available, I'm lookingWink



But I have it stripped down so I can at least use the valve train parts etc...

Not much of an update, but small steps eventually get you to the end.
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So I have been working on the governor for the '25.  This is the one that had sat outside for the last 50 years.  I was expecting the worst.
This is a constant speed governor used on the early tractors.  I believe they only used them up until 1926.  Unlike the later ones, these had no control to adjust them from the dash, hence calling them constant speed.



I was pleasantly surprised when I opened it up, there was just enough old oil and junk to preserve things from rusting.



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Nice!!! You get a lucky break once in a while.   I am very impressed with the work you are doing. This will be a treasure when you are done.
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My computer is being temperamental tonight so I'll break this update up into bits, as I've already wrote things three times and lost them!  Gerrrrrr.....

The governor weight arm is supposed to be held in place on the shaft with a taper pin.  The pin was missing on this one, and it was not inside the housing, so someone must have been inside this at some point.  I don't understand why they would have not replaced the pin, but it did make disassembly much easier.



The only thing really worn is the brass shifter
Note the wear on the left side of the brass shifter.  

The shaft and housing bushings seem to be worn very little, so I am going to leave well enough alone.  I can always take this back apart in the future to put in new parts if I decide it leaks oil too much once the tractor is running.  (which will be a long time down the road).
The governor pivot pins and bushings are also in great shape.

So I just cleaned everything up, made a new gasket for the governor clamp (what holds it to the side of the engine block).

Yesterday I ordered up some brass stock to make a new shifter, a taper pin to pit in the arm, and some key stock to make a new key for the arm.  All from McMaster Carr.  Once it comes I'll put it together with the new parts and I'll make a new gasket.
I still have to round up an original drain cock for this as it was missing.

I also freed up the adjustment to fine tune the governor once running.

Just thought I'd give a quick update for those that might be wondering what the inside of one of these old governors looks like.
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I also took apart two of my LF radiators to see how bad things were.
This is from the '25 that sat out in the field.


Note the overflow tube that goes from the top tank down the side of the core and out through the bottom.
There is a coupling that is welded in the top tank that the overflow tube threads into from what I gather.
Question, where does one find the 1/8" pipe which is bendable  to make a new one of these??  I haven't been able to locate any.

I will have to make at least one of these overflow tubes over for one tractor, I may make both as this one is not in the best shape.  
I will also have to have new inlet and outlet tubes welded into the tanks as they are completely rotten.   These steel tank radiators were and are know for rotting out.  That is probably why they switched to cast tanks on the later tractors.

The mice like them too when they have a chance to get inside.

Tanks and sides hosed off.

I was happy to find the tanks themselves are in fairly good shape.  Fixable at least.

I took apart a second one from the '26 as well, but didn't take any pictures it seems?
It is in the same basic shape, tanks fixable, but the sides are fairly rotten on this one.  Luckily I have a third LF radiator to use as well.  I believe the sides are good on that one.  And I hope to use that core as it appears to be in better shape then these two are.

The cores are not great in either of these.  Both have issues.  
I mainly just wanted to get them apart to see what I had to work with, so I can plan accordingly.  
Any and all advice is welcome!



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Hi all!

I did a couple little things on the '26 today.

It was a nice day with no wind and the sun was shining, so I went outside to work a bit. I wasn't careful enough though, it is icy out and I slipped and fell! I'm ok, but just a reminder to everyone, accidents happen in a split second. On moment I was up, and the next I was flat on my backEmbarrassment

I monkeyed around with the farmer fix on the claw of the starting crank until I got it off. 


Then I took the engine breather off the block and put a piece of plywood on to cover the hole from the elements. Brought the parts down into the basement and worked on getting everything disassembled.



The second one is from the '25. If you're going to do one, you might as well do both right?
I still need to clean everything up. I ordered a piece of tubing with my last McMaster Carr order to make the missing one.

Would anyone happen to have a spare top cap and the cast spacer piece for the cap? Or am I looking at having to make them?


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I got the new brass shifter made up, and the new key made, and the arm back on the shaft.  Just need to get the correct taper pin and then this can all go back together.  If I had ordered the right one to begin with, oops...

So I jumped back to working on the radiators a bit on my longfenders. Got to thinking about the radiator curtains and what they should be.
Can anyone shed more light on these for me?
The only parts of the assembly I have are the radiator curtain guides that go up and down on the sides of the radiator.


Here is a couple shots of the top of the guide.

The parts book is not the most helpful, as there are no pics in the one I have and the description is not the best.

It lists a Radiator Curtain complete with Rod and Stick 24 1/2" wide x 28" long. Canvas.
Radiator curtain Rod 1/4" dia x 26 3/8" long. Steel.
I am only able to find a couple of pics online of the curtain, but none up close.
Here is one from the front with a curtain rolled up. You can just make out a little crank lever to roll up the curtain on the left side of the tractor?


Another shot where the crank handle can be seen a bit better from the side.

What is the crank handle made of? cast? Bent steel?

So assuming this curtain is correct and original, is it safe to assume that the curtain simply rolls up to the top?

I'm confused though that I thought that both the left and right have the spring steel on top? I don't have the other ones here to look at, so I could be wrong about that? The parts book calls for one for each side. But if so, how does that crank handle work?

The steel rod is at the top, and the stick (assume wood?) is at the bottom to keep curtain from flapping around?

Anyone have more info or detailed pics of construction?

Leave it to me to obsess over the little detailsbrowsbonk



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Well it was another beautiful day here in ND, so I went outside and worked on the '26 a while.

I wanted to get the clutch shoes pulled, as that is another little project that can be done to get ahead of the game. 

But the transmission was stuck in gear, so I could not rotate the clutch to work on it.
So I pulled the tranny cover off and worked on getting the shifting linkages and gears freed up and moving/ shifting as they should.

Once the tranny was in neutral I had to free up the clutch shaft that goes through the clutch housing, as that was stuck solid as well. A little penetrating oils and tapping with the hammer and I got that freed up too. I pulled the clutch arm off as long as I was at it, as this clutch shaft will have to come out to get worked on eventually, as the grease fitting holes are all boogered up, just like the ones on my '27 were.

Then came the hardest part of the whole process, getting the cotter pins/nails out of the pivot pins/linkages that connect the clutch shoes to the clutch.

But once they were out, the shoes can be pulled out through the clutch access hole. The steering rod that goes through the clutch housing is already removed on this tractor, otherwise we have found that it is necessary to remove this first to get the shoes in/out.
So once I get some more clutch lining and rivets, these can be relined.


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the wood stick is rectangle so it will not roll down. the top rod is not a crank. the one in the picture is a custom job.
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Other than a little surface rust, those gears look in pretty good shape.  I never got around to looking in either of those transmissions.  Nice to see progress being made on these!!
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Originally posted by Dave H (NE) Dave H (NE) wrote:

the wood stick is rectangle so it will not roll down. the top rod is not a crank. the one in the picture is a custom job.

Ok, good to know, thanks Dave.  I'll give you a call sometime to pick your brain some more.

Phil, yes, the gears look good from what I can see so far.  It is a dirty mess in there, the pictures make it look a bit better than it really is, the bottom is filled with gunk and rust, but once cleaned out and gone through, should be good to go!

Anyone have any advice on tearing into the tranny of one of these beasts?  It seems fairly straight forward, as they are not overly complicated, but any advice is welcomed, as I have a few that might eventually be needing work?  If I'm going to go this far, I might as well take it all apart to inspect and be sure everything is in good shape?


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Hi all!

Couple little things accomplished on the longfenders here. I cleaned up the one good set of bearings and accompanying parts for the front wheel that I have. The other set is still in the wheel back in WI, but there is about a 99.99% chance they are junk anyway, as the wheel will not spin and so far our attempts to get it off the spindle have failed! Must be pure rust inside. 
Anyway, I cleaned up the three hubcaps I have as well. I'll need to find one more of these most likely, but I also need a second pair of front wheels, so there is a slim chance if I ever find a set it may have a hubcap with them, LOL!





But I like to clean up what I have to see what is good/bad so I know what to be looking for and buying.

Jacob Swanson
1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45
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Then I bounced back to the radiator tanks.

It is a fairly nice day here, so I set up outside and wire wheeled up the inside of the tanks to see how much work they will need.

Here are three of the tanks after a little wire wheel time. The other top tank I have here is fairly rough shape, so I am waiting to see what the third top tank I have back home looks like when I pull that apart. I'm hoping it will be in better shape, and I will use that to complete my two tanks. The one top I have here is fixable, but is rotted through in a few places.

Note the one bottom tank mounting boss on the upper left is rotten right through, it looked solid, but once I touched it with the wire wheel it went right through.




These are so prone to rotting out, this bottom tank can be seen that it has been fixed once in the past. a piece of threaded pipe was shoved in the original rotten pipe and welded in place.


The top tank pictured also has had a new piece of tube welded onto the original stub of the inlet in the past.

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So now some questions, as I am looking for advice on how to proceed. First what should I do with these tanks as far as all the deep pitting goes? They are probably fairly thin in some places.

I plan to probably bring these in to get sandblasted in the insides. Once they appear to be structurally sound (obvious bad spots welded up), should a guy coat them with something to seal them off just in case there is any pinholes, and to prevent any further deterioration? If so, that should be used?

I also am going to grind out the remainder of what is left of the inlet and outlet tubes, and get a new piece of tube to have welded in place.

Can anyone confirm for me a couple of things:

In the bottom tanks, should the outlet be welded "square with the world"? As in horizontal with the ground, and parallel with the center line of the tractor. Or should it be slightly angled towards the center line of the tractor? Holding a piece of PVC up just for a visual, it appears that "square with the world" should work.





There is a cast 90* elbow that goes between this outlet and the water pump outlet. So there is some "play" on how things can be put together, but I want to get it right the first time if I am going to have it redone.

Also, how LONG should the pipe be originally? Mine are all rotted off so I have no idea.

On the top tank, again, how long should that pipe be, and does anyone know at what angle should it be tipped down? or am I going to have to assemble things and figure it out?

Thanks for any and all adviceWave
Jacob Swanson
1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45
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