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Creek Jenkins 
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 Topic: 3 point hitch - friend or foe?
Posted: 05 May 2010 at 10:10am |
Had to move my chicken house last nite (it is on skids, we fertilize a new spot every week or so). Usually move it with my wheeler, but that has a broken front axle. So started up the D17, inched the house ahead. Hate to start it up and shut it off right away, so went over to the neighbors to borrow his 3 point tandem disc.
Backed up to the disc to hook it on - most of my stuff is 3 point so I am familiar with the process - didn't line up. Can't move the disc, too heavy, no bar around. Pulled ahead, tried to line up. Repeat. Repeat. Starts to rain. Repeat. Repeat. Did I mention I have one of the few, the proud D17s without power steering? Rains harder. Lined up again. Got the top link and one side on, screwed around with it and pulled forward/back, finally got it connected. Now I'm discing in the rain. It's okay, nobody even slows down anymore - most of the neighbors have already formed opinions of my mental state.
Soooooooooo.....anyway, what kind of mad scientist invented the dang 3 point anyway? Snap coupler seems a lot smarter way to go, my neighbor has a Int'l Fasthitch, that doesn't seem too bad either.
But the 3 point - what a pain in the yah yah. I understand why peeple buy more tractors so they don't have to unhook the plow / haybine / disc / baler / etc. I dunno what the helms I'm gonna do when I get old(er) - haveta hire help everytime I hook something up......
3 point - invented by a sadist, promoted by tractor salesmen? Discussion......?
cheers,
Creek
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wjohn
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:11am |
Dad has a homemade 3 pt. hitch on his WD. The only thing we ever hook up to the back is a 4 foot bush hog (maybe it's a 5 foot, I can't remember right now). We use wood 4x4's to maneuver it into a position where it will hook up to the 3 pt. If we had a larger bush hog - or a big disk - I don't think it would be much fun at all.
One of these days I'll get dad talked into trying the snap coupler plow. I haven't used the snap coupler on the tractor yet, but I'm looking forward to it compared to the 3 pt. It always seemed like snap coupler was a far superior setup, but I don't have the experience to back up my assumption!
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:23am |
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Creek, can you say Harry Ferguson? The same Ferguson as in Massey Ferguson. We all know MF does not stand for "mighty fine". The 3pt may be good at stopping rearward flips with mounted tools, but the snap coupler system is easier to hook up and performs better in the field.
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:27am |
By the time of the new generation Deere, they had adopted extendable lower arms. So you get with in 5 of 6 inches and unlatch and extend the lower arms and the extension is flexible up and down to make hitching easier. Then with all three points hitched you back up to close the extended arms. A standard adaptation on working farms with three point is the rapid hitch, where a frame is on the back of the three point arms with hooks that fit under the three point pins on the implement, so you just shove back with the hitch a little low until lifting catches all three. The hooks have latches so the implement won't bounce out and the lower pins usually have knobs to keep from sliding out. Like this one from Northern: http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/128100_lg.jpgGerald J.
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 11:32am |
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Oh yah, Harry Ferguson invented the three point hitch. When done his way it won't fly up and on the Ford N series that brought it to market, if the plow pulled too hard, the hitch would reduce the weight on the tractor so it wouldn't overload the tractor. Last time I tried plowing with an 8N it wouldn't plow at an even depth either, kept running deep and the tires spun and dug holes or it didn't go in as much as I wanted. It worked much better on my MF-135 or 4020.
Things with the AC SC get overly interesting if the hook lets go up front and the lift links don't. Forward motion of the tractor tends to pivot the plow into the space where the driver sits, I've heard.
Gerald J.
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SeanD17
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 12:19pm |
I don't know about anybody else here but as far as 3 pt. goes I think Oliver had the best idea. We've had the IH fast hitch(can be a back breaker and require help), 3pt where the lower links can be slid in and out(also can be a backer and require help and when lock mech. gets a little dirty or sticky it will feel like it latched but didn't and will unlatch under load-very bad-it happened to me), but the Oliver system of the removable lower link balls is the handiest thing I've used by far. The 3pt quick hitches are good once you get done altering half your 3pt equip. so it will go on to it. My 2 cents
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 12:19pm |
I have a Cross brand ( good unit) Three point hitch on one of my WD45s, It is there to pull the 7" mower and thats all I use it for all my good stuff is AC SC. I will change the mower over to SC someday soon It is a real pain in the poor word choice to get on and off.
Don
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3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep.
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Stan IL&TN
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 1:01pm |
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When they came out with the 0ne-Seventy they added the extended lower arms to the 3 point. I sure do like mine.
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Chris/CT
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 2:18pm |
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No problems at all with the 3pt on the 175, the extendo arms work very nicely.
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John (C-IL)
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 2:45pm |
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The 3PTH is why some genius invented the quick hitch that you leave on the tractor, lower the quick hitch, backup to the implement, raise the quick hitch, flip the latches closed and go to work.
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irlbeck A-C'S
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 2:51pm |
Our D17 series 4's have the extendable arms. Makes things easier.With that being said, I have no complaints with the 3 points or the snap couplers on the other Allis tractors. It is all quality built equipment. Just my opinion, but things are not so tough when you love what your doing.
Edited by irlbeck A-C'S - 05 May 2010 at 2:53pm
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KY
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 2:52pm |
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Snap coupler is alot handyer except wresteling the drawbar around. As tractors got larger the drawbars became too haevy to pack around.
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ac45
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 2:54pm |
Time, you take a drawbar off and on i can hook up any 3pt piece of equipment ( to a factory set up with lower arms that extend) and not have to get on my hands and Knees. try putting a drawbar on a d19 or series 4 d17, it can be a chore
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BobHnwO
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 3:05pm |
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That's why I make my own 3 point hitches,don't have to take the drawbar off.
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Rick of HopeIN
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Posted: 05 May 2010 at 8:43pm |
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by the 60s virtually every tractor around had extend able arms and we exchanged implements pretty regular. Solved the problem. I had a few wrestling matches hooking up snap coupler stuff too after it laid in the weeds for a few months.
Best part was you could hookup the three point to cultivate for a while in the morning then unhook and you still had the drawbar for hay work right there. Remember all that stuff worked a lot better when it was few years younger.
Edited by Rick of HopeIN - 05 May 2010 at 8:50pm
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