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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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i recently acquired this 1955 wd45. not to restoration mode yet, but hope to get there in the future. for now, i just want to get it good running/usable condition. it's a learn as i go thing since this is the first tractor i've ever really turned a wrench on. so far i have drained and replaced all the fluids (clutch/hydraulic is draining now, pto has an issue) been through the fuel system and removed quite a bit of rust from gas tank (this is gas, not diesel) removed carb and cleaned, but probably will put a rebuild kit to it soon, removed air breather and cleaned and put new oil in bath bowl, added seafoam to fuel, stp treatment to engine oil, and cleaned alot of the grease and grime off. got new tube for front tire, and (2) new tires and tubes for rear. also got a new starter rod, lever, and button. it came with 12v system and electronic ignition already installed.
needs.. most of the gauges, left side brake linkage rod, lever and chain for quick hitch latch release, and whatever i find it needs to get the pto working properly...for now this will probably be an ongoing post as i delve more and more into this thing. i'm open to any advice, comments, questions? MY biggest questions for now are how to fix the pto and the engine seems to be losing oil (looks like from valve cover and front seal areas) and it smokes some and has a tendency to back fire/pop from time to time and acts like its sending quite a bit of oil out the top of the exhaust pipe. my plan is to get a full engine gasket set and hopefully fix those issues. if anyone thinks i have a bigger problem please feel free to let me know. as far as pto, it engages by itself every once in a while. also has a bad grinding sound that comes and goes on its own, like a gear is slipping or loose. i haven't used the pto w/any implements, it just concerns me that it's going to tear up something else. the tractor doesn't seem to have any issues when the grinding occurs so i'm hoping it's just a minor issue in the pto housing, which i'll be removing later today to see if a bunch of damn pieces fall out lol. i have used it to plow a big garden we have and it seemed to do great! (aside from i could use some wheel weights) but she dug pretty good. sorry this post is so long, but i wanted to put as much info as i could for anyone that might help me out or for others that have similar questions. i have lots of pics and will have many more as i go, so if you need to see anything in particular, just ask. thanks in advance. lovin' this site and working on this old tractor!! -eric |
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SHAMELESS ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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looks like you will take good care of your new tractor! have fun with it!
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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so i found my issue, and the part where i said i was gonna see if any pieces fall out was not so funny. intermediate gear is almost round and all the teeth are on the floor or in the pto housing now. looks like i'll get a lesson on how to replace one. from what i'm reading, i have to remove the entire torque tube assembly and clutch?? little more work than i was hoping to do. guess i'll know more about my tractor after i'm done though. if anyone thinks i can replace that gear w/o taking the clutch out and torque tube apart, by all means, say so. otherwise, that's what i'll do. for the time being, i think i'm going to pull the gear from the top of the pto housing and put the housing back on w/no pto drive just so i can put fluid back in and still use the tractor. is this a bad idea? it doesn't appear to me that it will hurt anything but i'd rather hear from someone that knows. thanks gang
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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![]() the pto gear, bearings and shaft look ok to me, so my plan is to put them back in w/o the gear in the top of the housing so it doesn't grind anymore, until i can get the parts and replace everything |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21836 |
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Intermediate gears can be changed by removing the hydraulic pump and sliding the shaft out of the way. No need to remove the torque tube.
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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that's good news drallis because i really didn't want to have to pull all that apart. thank you sir
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Jim Hancock ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: EL Reno, Ok. Points: 1112 |
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Where do you live in Oklahoma?
I'm halfway between Mustang and Union City.
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How blessed we are by HIS GRACE!
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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I'm in Catoosa, just east of tulsa
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6066 |
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I had that exact same situation, and the reason was that a pin from the hand clutch got spit out, and found it's way down through the gears. Look about halfway down this thread for photos and explanation:
http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=104986&title=mixmatch-50-wd-handclutch-and-driveline |
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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B26240 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: mn Points: 3865 |
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Your problem with the intermediate gear is not uncommon, another cause is from the pto not being fully engauged. Also bush hogging is hard on these gears. Dr Allis is right as usual on the replacement of it. Job is easier if you have a helper to hold the spacer washers and to help line up the shaft as you slide it in but job can be done by one person. Keep us posted on your progress !!
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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thanks guys. i will. do you guys think if i remove the idler gear from the top of the housing, that it would be ok to replace the stub shaft and remount the housing with pto disabled. i don't really need it right now and it may take me a bit to gather funds for new gears. i don't really NEED to use tractor, but it would be nice if i could. i'm thinking a full engine gasket kit may preceed a pto gear. so...
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6066 |
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A replacement gear (good used) shouldn't set you back that much... the toughest part for mine, was the PITA of lying under the tractor and fussing the pieces in place, probably took me an hour of messing around 'till I had it right, and then I think I called my son out to provide a second set of hands and eyes. IIRC I think I used a little dab of grease to hold the spacer in place.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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I got the idler gear out and it looks to me like it should have had a key which it did not. I'm w/you though Dave, I'd really rather just fix it while it's apart. I'd love to find good used gears, but not sure there are many around here. For no more than I need to use the tractor right now, I'll think I'll just save up and get new gears. Motor leaks oil all over, so I really to get all those fixed before I run in to some real problems.
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 6066 |
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Check with ANY of the guys that have parts machines here- I got mine from Bill Deppe... and the way those gears are, they're either good, or bad... usually they're good unless something falls down into 'em.
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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update on tractor is i found some used gears from a guy on here. also pulled the hydraulic pump. that there job is not easy
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8612 |
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Someone recently posted pic of the "nail trick" when installing hyd pump.Flatten end of 4 nails,press roller lever against body and wedge nail between body and lever.This will keep all levers collapsed out of way when reinstalling pump.Once you get it fed in past frame rail with draw pipe inside housing,pull nails out and bolt up.You can have a gasket glued to hsg and never disturb it doing this way.
The shaft uses that set bolt to lock in place.No key needed. Edited by SteveM C/IL - 14 Oct 2015 at 8:38am |
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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hmm..that sounds interesting. i'd like to see the pics of that. anyone remember the name of that post or posted it?
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ac45dave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 May 2015 Location: SE(IN) Points: 1345 |
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i believe this is the pic your talking about.
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54 wd-45gas ; 56 wd-45d N/F w/fact p/s ; 63 d-17 sIII N/F gas ; 60 D14 N/F ; 67 d-17 sIV N/F gas ; 63D15 sII W/F; 39rc#667 ; 2021 massey 4710 fwa ; gravely 2 wheel tractors
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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pretty slick trick! that pump is WAY cleaner than mine. mine will be clean and freshly painted when it goes back in though. the gasket was in bad shape and fluid had leaked all around it, making a huge mess of that entire area. hopefully i'll get that all fixed up and be leak free
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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been in shop playin' w/45..think i went from having the tractor bug straight to a full on flu! enjoy tinkering w/this thing so much. got a bunch of parts all cleaned up and first coats of paint on. can't wait to see 'em back on tractor. also, route 66 flywheelers gas engine and tractor show is this weekend in my lil' town of catoosa, usa..prolly alot of deere's there, but should also be some AC's and i think this year, it's supposed to feature olivers, which i think just look cool. i'll try and get some pics and post on sunday or monday.
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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![]() for those of you that are like me and have never taken one of these off, here's what a hydraulic pump looks like. that lil' guy is heavy and hard to get out! i've cleaned it up quite a bit and will sand and paint this week (i hope) then wait for my gears to come in and put it all back together hopefully next week |
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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![]() this looks to me like something was sheared off, but that hole doesn't go all the way through so i'm kinda confused what goes there. this is the shaft for the idler gear in the pto housing..any clues??? also, w/the hydro pump removed, i'm still not really seeing how to get the intermediate gear out? i can see the end of the shaft through the hole in the side of the torque tube, but i guess i was expecting to see a set screw or key that i could remove to drop that gear. i'm sure i'll figure it out, but some knowledgeable advice would be well received. thanks gang. Edited by grateful1micelf - 20 Oct 2015 at 9:10am |
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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still looking to see if i could get some feedback. parts are on
the way and i still haven't figured out if that idler shaft needs
attention and some sort of key, screw, or pin. also, have managed to get
intermediate gear out yet. do i release something from underneath and
slide shaft into the hydraulic chamber where the pump was mounted?
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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so i feel pretty dumb that the set screw was starin' me in the face the entire time! but, there she is. the intermediate gear is out and new gear should be here today or tomorrow. got most all the stuff i pulled off painted and ready to go back on. i'll post more pics when reassembled.
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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ok, i have a silly question,what keeps the trans oil and hydraulic oil
form mixing?i've looked at parts and service manuals and don't see any
"o" ring or anything to seal around the intermediate shaft to keep fluid
from migrating from one compartment to the other.
not sure how silly that is? i kinda wonder the same thing. the fluid from the hydraulic chamber to the hand clutch chamber where all the pto gears are, is all the same fluid that is filled in 2 different areas. i haven't seen down into the tranny below the gears to see how the hydraulic fluid stays out of the tranny fluid. i assume there's a seal like on the motor or like the seal on the pto housing, and it keeps the fluids from mixing. i can't see it, but i think the intermediate gear rides in like a cup on the back end then the front rides in a hole that links the hand clutch area to the hydraulic pump area. all guesses lol |
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grateful1micelf ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2015 Location: Oklahoma Points: 103 |
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i've got all of this figured out and back together except for this pin. i gather that there used to be some sore of square cap screw that went in this shaft that slides into a key type slot in the pto housing to keep this shaft from spinning??? all the parts book shows is "pin" but the picture of it doesn't really show how it goes in. am i gonna have to try to remove that piece in the shaft and put a new pin in? does it even really need it? only other thing i can think of is to drill and bottom tap a new hole and put a new square cap screw in?? any thoughts? thanks |
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