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    Posted: 13 Aug 2015 at 9:38pm

This may be a bit premature, but since I have started to get things together for the D14 Backhoe/Loader while waiting for parts or what ever on the D15 II.
I cobbed on to a good deal on an engine for the D14 which the Allis Express moved it halfway across the country to my home. YEA,,!!! Not being able to leave things alone for very long, I went ahead and opened it up for a look see. #1 and #4 looked great but #2 and #3 had some rust in the liners. Cleaned everything up and the rings look great and mike out from .007 to .008 end gap, so I may go with those rings. What kinda got my attention are the pistons. These are not like the piston/liner set I bought for the other engine several months ago, which have the dished top.
These pistons have a dome and the OD is 3.530 and definitely bigger than the other set I have. The block is stamped as a 149**** so,,,????
Can anybody identify them for me,??

Edited by desertjoe - 13 Aug 2015 at 9:54pm
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OOOPS,,, pic did a Shameless and didn't load,,,tryin again,,,
pistons have GE380 on the pin boss and Confor-matic.
Piston OD. is 3.530
    
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   some one has already been in this engine going what you have said--senn that brand used in WD,S ALSO HARD TOO FIND MORE
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how's come you always find the rare stuff Joe?
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   how's come you always find the rare stuff Joe?

You know,,,Shameless,,,I've been blessed in my association with the Allis Chalmers brand,,,first in locating the D14 Backhoe/Loader, which I'm told is an industrial model,,, then, locating the D15 LPG II, (which was a heck of a find),,,,then finding this rebuilder engine in good shape with what I'm told has the overbore, higher compression pistons/liners,,,YEA,,,!!!
I was hopin some of the engine Guru's would chime in and tell me what this bore size equates to in cubic inches. Think I will measure the stroke and do some calculas and see if I can figure it out. At any rate, the increased power will be good for the tractor,,,!!
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Never seen a piston head like that in an A-C. A standard "149" engine is 3 1/2" sleeve bore by 3 7/8" stroke. The series 2 "160" engine is 3 5/8" sleeve bore by 3 7/8" stroke. I assume yours is 3 9/16" sleeve bore by 3 7/8" stroke, making it a 154 cubic inch engine.
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   Hey Dr. Allis,,,thanks for that info. 154,,Huh,,,? That's good,, that's good,,,,!! I'm going to go with these rings as the end gaps are within the Mfgrs. range. The 8 valves all held diesel from above but am gonna break em down and lap em a little just to be sure and re-assemble it and put a spark in it soon's I get a carb for it. Thanks for your help,,,
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I thought higher compression pistons only had shallower craters but not domed. Domes are directly under the valves which is an interesting concept that I kinda like the idea of. That set the cogs spinning out of control. My engine funds does not support those kinda pictures dontchyaknow.    
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Mr. Dick Lemmon,,,where you been,,,I hadn't heard from you in the longest,,,,I been kinda perplexed with this piston design myself, cause the domes ARE under the valves,,,and if the intent was to promote "squish" to bump the compression,,,? The engineer in me would'a wanted to design the domed part of the piston in the areas adjascent to the valves to take up the volume and thereby raise compression,,,,????    Maybe that's why I ain't a piston designer,,,,!!   
Thanks for your input,,,
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Looks like a pretty stupid design with a flat cylinder head. Your cylinder head is flat, right ?? because a true G149 and G160 really are flat. Older 115-125's are not. Not sure about the G138.
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Say there Joe, if you happen to find a D21 with hydraulic front wheel assist, snarf it up fast. If it turns out that it came from the factory that way, it would be a one of a kind find. My intuition tells me that you may be just lucky enough to find that highly elusive treasure. Darrel
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I am no enngine builder but I stood next to one while he fixed one in a Dodge that somebody had changed pistons and not enough valve to piston clearance. Only bent a few valves before it stopped the rotation during cranking.
Be careful, might be a reason that motor wasn't running...
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Funny how that piston has the word FRONT engraved on it. That would be right or left, not front.
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Originally posted by DrAllis DrAllis wrote:

Funny how that piston has the word FRONT engraved on it. That would be right or left, not front.


that must be for use with one of those unintended 90ยบ twisted rods.
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I typed up one of those thirteen paragraph type posts to desertjoe and when I hit send it said I was not allowed to or something to that affect in red. When I backed up it was gone. to late to try to remember what all I typed.

My short term memory is terrible!

Then again my short term memory aint all that good either.
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   Hey Dick L,,,that has happened to me as well on some of them long winded posts that I'm always getting accused of, If you take too long to finish typing, you will get a red screen when you hit "send" with some wording that you don't have permission or something like that,,,don't know why that would matter but it does,,,,
My information was that The engine HAD been running with these pistons,,,and I AM going to check the piston to valve clearances before I lash it up.
Re-type that message,Dick,,I'm interested in what you had to say,,,,!!!
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Hey Darrel,,,I hauled butt to the 7-11 and bought a slew of lottery tickets when I read your post,,,cause,,,,cause ,,,I "felt it,,!!"
And if I win one of the lottery games,,,,,,,Wooooo----Eeeeee look out Boys,,,,,,,here he comes,,,,,!!!
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I have a couple of them lottery tickets too, but not really feeling it quite like you are, Joe! I've always told my wife, though, that if I ever do win the lottery, I'm not changing my lifestyle. ......too much. Only way anyone will even suspect that I've won, is by the steady line of semi's hauling orange tractors up my driveway. Darrel
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if I won...i'd have one of my pickups re-done!
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Originally posted by SHAMELESS SHAMELESS wrote:

if I won...i'd have one of my pickups re-done!

Re done into what? That should be one nice truck with all the winnings in it. You won't dare use it...
Wow the list of things I could fix here are almost endless. I would start with insulation and a new heating system in the 115 year old farm house. Maybe windows too. I really miss the gasification wood boiler I had before moving back to the farm.
Oh and the tractors yes there would be a nice diesel d17 serries 4 or a d19 here to help with the haying.   And a full overhaul on all my tractors I only have 5 plus the 4 ingersoll lawn mowers so that shouldn't be too obvious to people...
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Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:



   Hey Dick L,,,that has happened to me as well on some of them long winded posts that I'm always getting accused of, If you take too long to finish typing, you will get a red screen when you hit "send" with some wording that you don't have permission or something like that,,,don't know why that would matter but it does,,,,
My information was that The engine HAD been running with these pistons,,,and I AM going to check the piston to valve clearances before I lash it up.
Re-type that message,Dick,,I'm interested in what you had to say,,,,!!!


Ya, that's it. Dixie called me to supper directly after I started it. I lied about all the paragraphs by ten. I start thinking about something else after three paragraphs.
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   "" I start thinking about something else after three paragraphs.""

     Yeah,,,ten four for sure,,,,I think we not the on'liest ones with that problem,,tho,,, Can't figure out why us old timers got to be saddled with that roadblock,,tho,,,,
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   WELL,,,I'm STILL here,,,,so,,,,you know what that means,,,,,

But,,,,but,,,You may never win,,,,But I do guarantee,,you will NEVER win if you don't play,,,,
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well I do know a place i'd buy...it has an underground 14 car garage that would hold lots of AC's! and a pond to fish in! and a yard big nuff to keep the old lady....oooops.....I mean the loving wife...outta my hair!
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Originally posted by desertjoe desertjoe wrote:



   WELL,,,I'm STILL here,,,,so,,,,you know what that means,,,,,

But,,,,but,,,You may never win,,,,But I do guarantee,,you will NEVER win if you don't play,,,,


I didn't fair so well either. Did win 18 bucks, though, but that don't buy much orange stuff. Darrel
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I didn't see a run in the classified section so I am guessing non of us won. Of course I am in the category of needing to buy the tickets first....
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    "" Did win 18 bucks, though""

Darrel,,,you da man,,,!!! I tell you what I'm gonna do,,,,I'm gonna nominate you to be our official ticket buyer,,,,
Put me down for 20 tickets on the next Powerball drawing (Wednesday)
Also 25 tickets on the next Dakota Cash Drawing
And then,,,,,well,,, that oughta be enuff for this month,,,,,
mail em to my home address and I'll send you a check when I get my next Social Security check,,,,,, ten four,,,???
Better get youse a tablet and plenty of pencils cause them other boys are fixin to get on this bandwagon,,,,,
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   "" Looks like a pretty stupid design ""
       OUCH,,,,,!!
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   Gosh,,Shameless,,, all of that underground,,,?? WOW,,that'a be a huge hole in the ground,,,,!!
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That bunker sounds a lot cozier than a tarp under a disc in the rain. 
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