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Hi all,
 
I have read many methods for getting dents out of gas tanks, and only halfway payed attention, but I now have a Badly dented C gas tank and need to know if its fixable.
 
Info:  This tank was dented when the PO's Grandpa rolled the tractor and hit a tree.  Its a good sized dent that's deep. 
 
I remember reading about a method that fills the tank up with water, up to the dent leval, then putting presurized air in until the dent poped back out.  Has anyone tried this?  If so how big of a dent will this take out?  How did you go about plugging the tank up to presurize?  Putting the air fitting in the gas outlet hole is easy enough to figgure out, but how was the fill hole plugged?  How did you regulate air pressre and what is a safe pressure to build up to so it dosent become a bomb?
 
Are those stud sapper guns and slide hammer method worth a try?
 
Any other suggestions to fix this big dent?  I dont have any pics now, but will get some in the future.
 
Thanks in advance!
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I realize that the tanks are fairly easy to find, I just want to try my hand at fixing one.  I fuggure if I fail, I'm not out anything but my time.  And if I succeed, I gain an ability to fix dents for the future, and Frank gets to keep his factory original tank.
 
That, and I have a spare tank which is currently on the tractor, so I can experiment with the dented original one as I get time and diferent methods.
 
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Originally posted by Osage_Orange Osage_Orange wrote:

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