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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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It went pretty well yesterday but having to make a run to the agco dealer slowed me down and I didn't get to everything I wanted. Put a new injector bolt in the fuel line.
Changed the oil and oil filter. It was jet black. Changed the fuel filter and bled the system. Drained coolant, flushed with water and refilled with new 50/50. Found some good stuff like my windshield wipers and radio work. I have some lights working. Found some not so good stuff like my heater isn't working, power steering piston is weeping. Temp gauge does not move from cold. Clutch engagement is right at the top. I'm assuming there is am adjustment. I'm going to remove the left and right floor pieces and see if I can get the fabbed up. I tried to price them out but they are unnavailable. |
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Thanks LB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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I use tractor fluid for the brake reservoir. Any air you get in the loader cylinders will work out with a couple of uses of the loader.
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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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Transmission and rear end are 2 separate compartments.
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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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If you are going to change the rear end fluid make sure you remove and clean the suction screen for the pump.
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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I'm planning on doing a full fluid change tomorrow; engine oil, hydraulic oil, coolant. The tractor sat for 5 years so i want to have a baseline on when everything was done. I have the manuals so i don't expect any issues. I have read some posts on making sure you refill in all the proper spots so you dont ruin the transmission. Is there anything i should know about changing the hydraulic oil with a loader on it? I dont want to get any air in the system. Can i use universal tractor fluid for brake fluid without hurting anything? Thanks
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bradley6874 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: salisbury md Points: 1349 |
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The last two pictures above, the last one shows the position the linkage would be in if the lever was back(disengaged) the next to last would be lever forward (engaged)
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Thanks Bradley, i don't think my safety switch is working because the tractor starts up in neutral and the PTO is spinning. So my seasonal disconnect must be on, and the PTO clutch is stuck on. Bill said that the seasonal disconnect is just a gear shift so it should not be stuck in gear, but it is. I have taken a hammer to it and it will not budge. Its cold and dark here by 4pm so in the evenings i've only been hitting levers/shafts with acetone/atf mix trying to free stuff up.
On the PTO clutch, what movement is it exactly that causes the clutch to release? Is it the rotation of the shaft in the middle of the piece which has the spring up top and the cable linkage on bottom? Trying to figure out precisely where to attack this. Thanks guys. Bill i still plan on giving you a call at some point. Every day i learn a bit more on this thing so i'm trying to avoid calling several times.
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bradley6874 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: salisbury md Points: 1349 |
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Get the cable fixed first! that's a 2 to 1 mechanical advantage on that lever and there not easy to pull normaly so you won't be abel to pull by hand you will need a big bar . the two switches one is the PTO disengage light in the dash with to right lever back it should light up the other switch ties to the foot clutch switch and seasonal disconnect switch . If seasonal left is down the right lever can be back or forward to start the tractor if seasonal is up right leaver has to be back to you to start tractor at ALL times unless using the right lever to stop the PTO it should be forward to keep pressure off. hope this helps we have six in the family hard to beat as a all around tractor
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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I'm not sure how it got so bad but i pulled up the floor mats and the floor is almost entirely gone. The center piece has rusted away in to nothing and the left and right hand panels arent far behind. The PTO cable itself is free but the bracket that holds it is just a ball of rust and paper thin metal. I'm going to price out replacement floor pieces but if it's expensive i'll have to go another route.
I might look at doing a plywood floor, the edges of the current floor are still solid. Half inch plywood would be plenty of support and if it was too thick at the diff lock or PTO bracket i need i could router some out i'm sure. Edited by AC6080MAINE - 27 Nov 2016 at 6:48pm |
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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That lever with the empty hole is actually the parking brake. The parking brake handle was... you guessed it... seized up aND I pulled it to try and get it free.
That rusted piece behind the pto lever is part of the same lever, it kind of come back on itself like a pivot point as you said. Edited by AC6080MAINE - 26 Nov 2016 at 1:10pm |
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hillmonkey ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Location: oville fl Points: 417 |
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I am kinda guessing on this but in your 1st pic, is the top lever supposed to hook to the bottom black and silver lever where the hole is empty? Also the top lever about halfway there is a rusted off piece behind it,is that the pivot rusted into or nothing or nothing to do with it ?
I maybe totally wrong and the two levers are not related? Edited by hillmonkey - 25 Nov 2016 at 6:01pm |
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Will do.
That hadn't cross my mind but I can't argue with your logic. I looked at the wiring diagram in my manual and it appears they are PTO switches that head to ground, with a fuel gauge ground thrown in. Thanks
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hillmonkey ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Location: oville fl Points: 417 |
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pull up the rubber boot on the cable above where the bracket is missing and do a slow drip of some thin oil, looks kinda rusty. the way i see it wires on the terminals should not matter, they both getting compressed and released at the same time.
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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LB thanks so much for the pics. I can not physically get it to move that far back so I'm afraid something inside may still be stuck. At least now I know how things are supposed to look. I'll see if I can get that cable freed up tomorrow and start ordering more parts. It also looks like my wires are on the wrong terminals. Hopefully this isn't a trend...
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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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I would probably get the bracket on the cable and then do the adjustments per the manual first. Could be all that is needed?
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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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Here is a picture of the clamp you are missing.
Here is the pto handle in the forward position. Here is it in the rearward, pulled back position. |
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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That's nice to hear, thank you for letting me know.
I bought the operator's manual but the pictures in my PDF are pretty dark. It has a lot of great information though so i'm positive it was worth it. I pulled a few things apart yesterday and found that the PTO appears to be stuck on both sides. Let me just make sure i have this correct. On the left side, the PTO handle connects down to the lever below the cab. For me it is stuck horizontal, which means it is in the on position. In order to turn it off the handle and lever must go down? I tried using a hammer to gently persuade it and made no progress. Here is a picture showing the lever below stuck horizontal. What is the best method for unsticking it? On the right side PTO clutch I found more issues. I took the lever cover off inside the cab and it looks like there is supposed to be a connection so that the cable moves independant of the cable sleeve, but there is nothing holding the cable sleeve. Can someone tell me if this is supposed to be connected at the floor or if i'm missing something? Here is a picture: ![]() So when i pull the lever, the entire cable moves but it isnt pulling the wire through the sleeve. I followed it down the the mechanism and started playing around with it. Here is what it looks like. I was guessing that those two wires that are disconnected are to over ride the disengaged safety start requirement for the PTO? If that's right, the guy who owned the tractor definitely knew there were issues. This is what that looks like: ![]() I grabbed the piece that gets rotated and tried to move it just by hand and was able to get some travel but i don't think it is nearly enough. I did take a picture with it rotated as far as i could do it by hand. I also tapped it with a hammer and couldnt get any more out of it. Is that rod sticking towards me supposed to rotate until it hits those two things? Are those switches? What do they do? It looks like i should either replace or free the cable, get the cable sleeve held down by the lever base/floor, and free up the mechanism so it has full travel? Is that all correct? Is there any way to get full travel without splitting the tractor? What if i get the cable working correctly with the lever and pull back on it hard, while starting the tractor with a piece of equipment hooked to the PTO? Would that maybe allow the starter help break the clutch free? ![]() Thanks for all the help guys, i know its a lot of questions. Hope you all had a great Thanksgiving.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Have worked on 60 series tractors since they come out new. Never have removed a cab. No need to remove cab to split for a clutch.
MACK
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Mack i meant that splitting the tractor would be a bigger project because of the cab. I am assuming the cab would have to come off to split it but i would be happy to find out i'm wrong.
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MACK ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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No need to pull the cab for any thing you have to do to it. MACK
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Thanks for chiming in. I hope I don't have to split it and I don't really want to pull the cab off. I will keep you guys updated. Hope to put on a couple hours on it tomorrow between morning hunting and afternoon turkey
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LB0442 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Dec 2014 Location: Boise ID Points: 767 |
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Welcome to the forum!! I bought a 6080 about a year ago, non runner. This is the first 6000 series I have owned, I have had a 180, 185 and several 7000 series. I really like this one. Smooth runner, steering is easy, shifter is really smooth too. I had to do some head work and sent the injectors and pump out to inj pump ed, he is a member on this forum. I would recommend him for injector and pump work. I did have to split it to replace the clutch as the trans front seal went out, covered everything in oil. I felt it was one of the easier units I have split. I was just using it today to move a little gravel, thought I would post a picture.
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Thank you for the advice Vern. I plan on exhausting all possibilities before splitting it and will give your suggestions a try.
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Vern52 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 06 Jan 2013 Location: IL Points: 17 |
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Hi before you split tractor under right side, disconnect cable,spring,and short adj rod.make sure those are free and move easy.I have worked on several that one or both have been frozen.Then also have someone move tall yellow handle while you see if it's moving under cab. ALSO left handle under seat is Front wheel assist. Down is engaged,about 6" of travel up And down. If you want PM ME
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WNYBill ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 2016 Location: WNY Points: 276 |
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The disconnect lever on the left should work freely when the tractor is off, it is nothing but a gear shift. The long lever on the right is the PTO clutch, that connects to the clutch shaft, you can see it under the platform on the right. The shaft could be seized or the clutch may be seized, (not good). You need to get a shop manual and owners manual. Both are available on E-Bay. I would not pound on the gear lever on the left, that should be free. My PTO clutch is seized engaged so after hooking up PTO equipment, I shut the tractor off, pull the PTO gear shift, on left, up and then start the tractor with the PTO engaged, however that is hard on the starter and the teeth on the flywheel. If your PTO clutch is seized disengaged you are out of luck. The only fix for the PTO clutch is splitting the tractor and replacing it and while you are there you should do the main clutch too. It is dual clutch, not a 2 stage clutch. I am going to send you a PM. I have been down this road and the guys here were a super help.
Bill
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Hi John, i'm from central maine, augusta area born and raised. You are right the far lever is for the FWA.
I ran a few tests this morning and could not get the PTO to disengage. The left side PTO lever is stuck in the on position. I have full movement from the right side PTO lever but it has no resistance. If held back, the PTO still turns. Can try disconnecting the rod from the lever and hitting the lever with a hammer? Is the connection there beefy enough they can take a little beating to free up or do i need to pull things apart? Thanks
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Johnwilson_osf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 29 Jul 2012 Location: Mount Bethel PA Points: 941 |
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The one inch of play seems a bit small, but not by much. I think my lever lifts about 2 inches. It is not like my 190, which has close to six inches on the lever. I imagine that the other lever on the left side is the FWA engage/disengage.
I think the best thing to do would be to try and engage the PTO. Follow the instructions above, and see if anything happens. Does the PTO spin in the back? Forgot to ask earlier. What part of Maine are you from? I spent a lot of time living and exploring Maine. Especially West Central, and Coastal, but have my share of miles on the interior and northern. Edited by Johnwilson_osf - 22 Nov 2016 at 9:58pm |
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AC6080MAINE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2016 Location: Maine Points: 60 |
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Thanks, I'm hoping it will be nice in about 6 months. I'm afraid it will need to be split to get that pto clutch working bUT we will see.
I was messing around some tonight and I have very little movement on the left side PTO lever. It moves up and down only about an inch. How much is it supposed to move? What is that third lever on the left side, farthest over? |
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lowell66dart ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 Jul 2013 Location: Paulina La. Points: 964 |
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Running with that right hand lever pulled back/ engaged for an extended amount of time is NOT a good idea. I 'm a bit anal but when I engage or disengage the left side pto lever I shut the tractor down.
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AC 6080 (8030,7060,200,175,D-17HC, 6040,160,6140 all gone) Farmall 1066 & 656 Hi-Clear (for sale), White 2-62 High Clearance, JD 4255 Hi Clear.
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