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Ranse 
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 2:19pm |
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I shot at a fox yesterday only to see it run away. It was only 100+ yards away, although up a steep hill. Shooting uphill is something I've haven't really practiced. My friend said aim right at it, gravity has less effect on a bullet going uphill than when fired level. That made sense to me for some reason. I guess what I'm wondering, will a bullet have more or less drop going uphill?
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festus51
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 2:49pm |
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There is less drop going up or down hill. Firing level the bullet gets the full effect of gravity. By firing up or down hill your angle of gravity is less so the bullet does not get pulled to earth as rapidly. The rule for shooting up or down hill is to aim lower.
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 4:08pm |
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dang it haul your butt up here 100yds?? ,hell the fox here wil walk within 6 feet of you
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 5:30pm |
High or low, aim low... 
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 6:49pm |
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I had this explained to me long time ago, true? I don`t know, but it makes sense especially after what Festus51 said about the gravity. If the target is say 100 yards from you looking up, you hold on it as if the target is really straight out from you instead at the angle. So instead of 100 yards the target is say 75 yards straight out. Clear as mud?
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:16pm |
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The fox was sitting facing me. I put my cross hairs in the middle of its chest (largest part of body). I should have hit it somewhere even if the the shot had been high or low. I went and walked around the area were the fox was at, and I didn't see anywhere the bullet hit the ground. I assume the shot went way high, perhaps over the fox and over the top of the hill. I have done some shooting down hill (not as steep). I'm usually always at least on the paper at 100 yards.
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 7:19pm |
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Old deer hunter always told me when in the open get down on one knee as it is a better rest and you are shooting at the same height as a deer. Most times when shooting off hand standing up the shooter will shoot over the deer as he is taller than the deer.
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Posted: 03 May 2020 at 9:11pm |
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Like Weiner said. If the angle was steep and line of sight was 100yds, you shot over cuz the horizontal distance is much less. Gravity affects projectile drop the same regardless of the angle. That's why rangefinders with angle compensation are so popular with bowhunters.
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Posted: 04 May 2020 at 2:58pm |
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 11:27am |
100 yards is 100 yards regardless of whether it is flat or up-down hill
Many moons ago, it was popular to believe that when take shooting uphill, a bullet would hit high, and when shooting downhill, a bullet would shoot low. That notion has gone the way of iron sights. In truth, gravity exerts maximum influence on a traveling bullet when its path is level, perpendicular to the earth's pull. When a bullet's path is angled high or low, gravity exerts more effect on velocity (which doesn't change a projectile's path appreciably) and less effect on its path. As a result, trajectory suffers less earthward "bend" and the bullet flies on a straighter path. The takeaway? Bullets hit high when shooting down and up.
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 2:23pm |
The takeaway? Bullets hit high when shooting down and up.
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Good article
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 5:41pm |
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The takeaway? Bullets hit high when shooting down and up.
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Good article [/QUOTE]
Which is exactly what I said, several posts up. Set up targets higher and lower than where you are shooting from. Cap off a couple rounds in each, and see what happens!
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 7:59pm |
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Yes I said the same thing but thought I would prove that I was not making it up or talking out my but .
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 11:31am |
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What gun you using? I think you just missed Rance unless you got the bb gun out. Sorry, couldn't resist. Hope your staying safe,like the Fox, dang it I done it again. Sorry again
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 11:38am |
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Get ya a 220 swift,dial it in and it will be your fault if you miss. Best varmint gun in my opinion
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 1:18pm |
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If the fox was at 100 yds. and your zeroed at same, uphill should not have mattered. Sometimes we just miss, done that plenty myself.
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 3:00pm |
Ranse wrote:
The fox was sitting facing me. I put my cross hairs in the middle of its chest (largest part of body). I should have hit it somewhere even if the the shot had been high or low. I went and walked around the area were the fox was at, and I didn't see anywhere the bullet hit the ground. I assume the shot went way high, perhaps over the fox and over the top of the hill. I have done some shooting down hill (not as steep). I'm usually always at least on the paper at 100 yards. |
What kind of gun are you using?
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Posted: 06 May 2020 at 10:10pm |
I was using a Savage Axis bolt action in 6.5 Creedmoor with a 125gr bullet. And yes, I could have just missed. 100 yards is within my capabilities, but it is certainly not a chip shot for me. I guess I'm searching for excuses.
I've been studying a lot about Festus51's comments. They make sense. I was thinking, if you fired a bullet straight up, it wouldn't have any drop at all. It would just continue to climb until it ran out of momentum. It would have to slow down faster, but gravity wouldn't have any effect on its flight path. Like wise if you fired a bullet straight down. Anything in between gravity would have an effect. The steeper the angle, the less the effect, I get it. But you know what, understanding it don't really help me kill that fox. I believe that's on me.
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 4:49am |
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A bullet fired from a gun, at a target, hits the ground, at the same time, as a bullet dropped, from the end of the barrel...
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 7:09am |
^^Exactly Dave! IF the barrel of the gun is perfectly level, and all the ground is on a level plane. And once "level" is taken out of that assumption, everything changes.
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 7:13am |
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Set up a target at that same spot and throw a few rounds from where you shot before. You're gonna find out what happened
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 8:02am |
Ranse wrote:
I was using a Savage Axis bolt action in 6.5 Creedmoor with a 125gr bullet. And yes, I could have just missed. 100 yards is within my capabilities, but it is certainly not a chip shot for me. I guess I'm searching for excuses.
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With that gun that is a chip shot. 0 @ 200yds. trajectory @ 100yds. 1.5in. sandbag it on a bench to see where it is shooting at 100yds. clean your gun, don't do what I do, do as I say!!!! 
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 12:19pm |
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I think you have one fast Fox. You'll get him, I got faith in ya buddy. You may need to feed him some more fresh chicken and fatten him up a little. I'm sure not as fast as I used to be.
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Posted: 07 May 2020 at 5:57pm |
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^^Exactly Dave!IF the barrel of the gun is perfectly level, and all the ground is on a level plane. And once "level" is taken out of that assumption, everything changes.
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Everything but the law of gravity... Gravity is the same, at the top, or bottom of the hill
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 7:56am |
DiyDave wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
^^Exactly Dave!IF the barrel of the gun is perfectly level, and all the ground is on a level plane. And once "level" is taken out of that assumption, everything changes.
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Everything but the law of gravity... Gravity is the same, at the top, or bottom of the hill |
Ha, well yeah, but that wasn't exactly my point. You sight in a gun, you're "lofting" it. The farther away you sight it in, the more loft. Takes more loft at 400 yds than it does at 100 yards. Ground is rarely PERFECTLY flat for several hundred yards, so you don't have a flat plane. So, dropping a bullet and shooting a bullet at the same time is mathematically correct, but completely impractical. How often does one shoot a gun with the barrel perfectly level?
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 10:13am |
How much popcorn should I be popping. 
Living on the edge EVERYTHING is on the up and down. From my playing around most game is not waiting for you to use the rangefinder  and most people our very poor judges of distance. When you miss judge the distance the rest don't really matter.
An since we our on government ordered vacation maybe time to practice my shooten.  But then again I always practiced my shooten when the Lord did not put other jobs in my face,so maybe nothing has changed.
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 10:21am |
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Me, I'm just messin' around!
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 5:48pm |
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Me, I'm just messin' around! |
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 6:35pm |
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Well I`ll throw another monkey wrench in the mix. If you shoot a 220 swift and a 30-30 side by side, both perfectly level, at the same height and the land was exactly level, both bullets would hit the ground at exactly the same time. They will not hit the ground at the same place, but at the same time.
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Posted: 08 May 2020 at 8:51pm |
DiyDave wrote:
Tbone95 wrote:
Me, I'm just messin' around! |
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Nuttin’ honey..... I was replying about ray’s popcorn.
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