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dewn81
Silver Level Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: East Central Mo Points: 65 |
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:39pm |
I have seen a lot poeple in here talk about how the farmall 560 tractor and how it is junk. I was just wondering why that is?
Nathan
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m16ty
Orange Level Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1474 |
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They built the 560 on what was essentially a M drivetrain. They didn't hold up very well and IH had a massive recall on them. IH almost went broke and many say it was the beginning of their downfall.
The plus side is most of them were fixed during the recall and should have a diamond symbol stamped on the SN plate. There were some that didn't get the fix though. IMO they will be ok if they have had the upgrade. |
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james6600
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Location: Marion, IN Points: 48 |
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In 58 when they first came out they had an underrated bearing in the rearend or tranny cant remember which, IH set up tents in the field or at dealers and fixed most if not all of them and switched to hytrans oil. Other than the diesels needing to use the glow plugs below 50 deg. or so dont know of any problems, the bearing was upgraded after 58 and all the IH early diesels were cold natured. These are early diesels and only have 4 head bolts around each cylinder like a gas engine so bolt torque, head & block surface hafta be correct along with liner hight to prevent head gasket failiers (same with any engine), new diesels tend to have 6 bolts around the cylinder. The gas models are thirsty (mines a 1961 nf gasser) I believe its over 5gal an hour with for bottoms in the ground, mine seems to burn close to that even if its idling. The diesels were very efficient on fuel and have heard of them going 9000+ hours without an overhaul but i have not seen this first hand. The rearend trouble stuck because most IH tractors are a little light in the rearend and that was an era of add more fluided tires, more wheel weights, and crank the smoke screw till you had a 40ft column of smoke out the exhaust. My tractor came with the farm and had dual rear wheels with fluid on inside two wheels and double stack of weights on each side, It is one of my favorite tractors to drive you can drive it with one finger and it has down pressure on the fast hitch. Others may know more or have corrections as my daughters 4-h animals are my excuse to play with tractors (shhh don't tell wife)and I'm a first generation suburban farmer. James
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james6600
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Location: Marion, IN Points: 48 |
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m16ty is correct about the serial number tag being stamped after the repair but I believe that was only the 1958 model year after that they were all updated from the factory so if you are looking at buying one and its later than a 58 it wont have the stamp.I have not found the starting serial no. of the update but believe 59's and later are all updated and wont have the stamp. Maybe someone here has a more accurate date. James
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m16ty
Orange Level Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1474 |
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I sold my last IH today and couldn't be happier. They are ok tractors but I've had my fill of them for a while. The TA (especially the manual TA) is awful compared to the power director. Most of the old IHs have shifting problems (easy to get the linkage bound up and get the trans it two gears at once). They are also very un-handy to work on compared to a AC IMO. They did make some great engines though and had true independent PTO and hyd long before AC did.
Edited by m16ty - 29 Oct 2011 at 11:41pm |
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james6600
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Oct 2011 Location: Marion, IN Points: 48 |
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m16ty I forgot to mention the TA they do require replacement now and then they also free wheel on the low side and if you let fly down a hill you will blow it right out. The power director on my D17D is way better and the D17 will do just as much work. The 560 just feels like a tall long tillage tractor. I like things about most old tractors I even like that nasty old green 41 JD B when it sets and idles in the yard, cant find any other use for it. Remember the old 2 stroke diesels screaming through a straight pipe oiling up the ground for the plow to slide through you could hear them for three miles. James
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TimNearFortWorth
Orange Level Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Points: 2014 |
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My uncle had many M's and H's, 806, 1066 and I believe a 1086 that was 4WD. In the mid seventies he bought a new Muir-Hill 101 which was a pretty tough unit (Ford Motor Co. and English made as I recall). He also had a saying about IH TA's by then; every time you touch it, put a dollar in a coffee can as you are gonna need it. |
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dewn81
Silver Level Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: East Central Mo Points: 65 |
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No i wasnt looking to buy one so far. But i remember a post about a month ago that asked about all the tractors companys lemons, and it seemed like the 560 got mentioned on everybodys reply and i was wondering why. I aslo heard that the TA's on all the ih/farmall tractors were junk. I aslo thank you all for the helpfull info.
Nathan
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Dave in il
Orange Level Joined: 22 Sep 2009 Location: Manville Il Points: 1748 |
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The Red Power forum had a thread about lemons of all colors that was linked from here. They're pretty touchy about the 560 and liked to use the XT as an example of other companies having worse tractors. Of course from their point of view AC never fixed the XT and every last one had a bad rear end. They also said ALL ACs pop out of gear. LOL. I thought the beginning of the downfall of IH was the 400.
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Dennis(IA)
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: IOWA Points: 356 |
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My first job out of tech. school was at a IH dealer (1964). Did a lot of those updates to 560's. The way to tell if they have the latest kit is to look on the right side of the diff. housing, there will be a "steel tab" coming out of the brake housing and laying against a machined area. That is about the best that I can explain it. The kit put in better bearings in the differential carries and they pumped transmission oil onto the pinion gears.
About 20 years later I worked for a small enginerring company and the owner was an engineer at IH at the time. I asked him one day and he said that the biggest problem was the hi-tran oil, they updated the hi-tran oil with additives.????? There was a lot of 560's out there doing a lot of work, but they also kept us going in the shop.
Dennis
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m16ty
Orange Level Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Location: TN Points: 1474 |
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The XT was a little light in the rear end but they held up fine if you didn't turn the fuel to them. The main problem with the XT was they put a engine in it that was capable of so much extra hp. I've had several XTs and have never had a rear end problem. I don't abuse my tractors either so that may have something to do with it. |
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Lars(wi)
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 7441 |
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I learned from my first employer a pure Red only farmer, why the 560 would be on that list.You either loved that tractor, or totally hated that tractor. The old-timers loved them, the youger guys,,,,,not so much lol. The one we had never had the mechanical issues so many talk about, altho the TA finally gave out around 1983, God only knows how many tens of thosands of hours were on the tractor. In our area with our soil, the 560 was one of the first tractors that was affordable to actually pull a 4 bottom plow at a decent depth and speed. One could also use a forage chopper without the use of a re-cutter at the silo filler. I felt it was a very uncomfortable platform for operation,the hydralic controls were up front on the right side past the sterring wheel, the steering wheel was massive and the throttle was too close to the wheel as you could scrap your knuckles on the throttle as you turned the wheel. On trade in late 1983 I was told it brought nearly $3000.00, I, at the time would not have given $300.00 for that one.
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acdave63
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Jan 2010 Location: indiana Points: 39 |
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i think any tractor regardless of color, that is still working and 50 or 60 years old, is a pretty good tractor .
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