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FREEDGUY 
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Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 6:55pm |
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We ran a '70 (?) F combine with the 292 gasser in it. Any idea of why ALLIS didn't put their 180 gas tractor engine in them ?
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DougG
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Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 7:31pm |
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Id say power,, you get a Gleaner F loaded up it makes that 292 talk,,and it sounds awesome
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Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 9:26pm |
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They put a 301 gas in the early G model but the early F gas got the old D19 262 gas engine at 93 hp. I'd guess that the Chevy 292, as popular as they were, were cheaper to buy than Allis building a 262, 265 or 301 gassers.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 8:44am |
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Pretty sure the move to GM engines coincided with the fact that the Harvey Engine Division either was going to drop all gas engines from their product line, or already had dropped the gas engines. I think it was 1971, not 70. The 175 gas engine was built in West Allis, not Harvey, Illinois.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 9:21am |
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My take as to why the AC 301 was dropped from the engine line up was that the 292 chevy was way cheaper to buy and very few 301 gas engines where being built. All of the other gas engines continued to be built while I was there.
Edited by ACjack - 15 Sep 2020 at 9:23am
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Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 12:48pm |
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The biggest reason was price, because the 301 gas engine was built on a diesel frame and was more expensive to build.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 1:34pm |
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And was easily overhauled because of wet sleeves. Think about it. How many combine engines get the amount of hrs a tractor engine usually does ?? So the less expensive GM engine made sense.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 9:48pm |
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As a trivia point the GM engines were industrial units. Several items like timing gears instead of timing chains made the units different from auto engines. We bought a few of the engines when Gleaner dropped the gas versions - if memory serves correct they sold them at 500 below cost $750 for the GM250 and $875 for the GM292 no carb or gov.. They were a real eye catcher in the frame on the showroom floor. ... could have sold 10 times what we did.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2020 at 6:08pm |
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DougG wrote:
, I've got a feeling that when that bearing failed and if dad was in the seat, the F would have been a smoldering heap in the field 
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. I can verify that it was an "auto" engine because they never bothered to swap the oil pan for the hose drain set-up that Gleaners have 
. Trust me, that was a REAL mess to change oil 