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    Posted: 07 Jan 2025 at 4:50pm
Anyone have any experience deleting data from newer vehicle control center? I found instructions from the net, but it made no sense to me. 

I realize this post could easily become political, so please guys try to avoid that. We can open another thread in the political site if need be. For now, I am just curious if it can be deleted, if so how. As I understand it, that data includes, among other things, brake times, speeds, locations of every stop the vehicle has made with dates and times, all phone calls, and numbers, and, in some vehicles video of driver when vehicle is in motion. If it is possible to delete data, does that include ALL data, or some data?

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yes, BUT which computer  !!!!

FYI 'air bag' computers contain LOTS of 'just before the crash' data, so insurance companies STEAL that from you....Now if you're stupid enough to get the 'save money app' from the insurance company, well, you've given them the rights to any and all data, to be used by them or their agents, including selling it to 3rd partys !! yeah, I actually read the 'fine print' when asked if I wanted the 'plug in the OBD-II data connector'

ONstar collects everything,,so does FORD, so I assume everyone does. Truckers are 'monitored' 24/7, Hell, I can get the current engine data, for any BOEING 737 currently  flying.

to narrow down your request, search using 'make model reset data' or some similar wording.

All data can be accessed via the CANbus network, though you'll need specifics as to where it is.

This isn't  'political'...more of a fact finding - how do I' expedition.

I agree , 100% of this data NEEDS to be controlled by the owner of the vehicle and NOT anyone else !!!!
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if your trying to SELL your old car, you can delete the things you have put in... Garage door code, GPS contacts, PHONE link up, and RESET the computer to the ORIGINAL FACTORY SETUP.............. I dont think you will have any luck getting rid of the speed / brakes / crash data / miles driven, etc..... THEY KEEP THAT !  that is not considered "YOUR PERSONNEL DATA".

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LouSWPA, might help to offer more info about what vehicle you’re inquiring (year/make/model?)

OBD-II scanner can plug in under vehicle’s dash to retrieve vehicle codes that defines any issues. They usually offer an “erase code” option. Fairly basic stuff.

I believe the data your inquiring is usually addressed via a laptop/ECU/Canbus programmer? A knowledgeable local auto mechanic (electronic guru) could discuss options for you or point you in a direction towards it.

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AC, I was asking more as a general question, although, I was going to experiment on my 2024 Silverado 2500, and/or my wife's 2018 KIA.
Thanks for the input guys 
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I don't think I would be messing with your 2024 Silverado.

You could interfere with your 3 year and 5 year warranty.

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The OnStar System that has been part of every new GM Vehicle for a number of years now collects an endless amount of information.

I think you would agree it goes slightly beyond the suggested

speed / brakes / crash data / miles driven suggested.


Here is a summary list found through Google.


The types of Personal Information that GM collects about you when you interact with us include:


Identifiers:

Can include name, postal address, email address, screen name, photo, account ID, customer number, or telephone number. In limited circumstances, GM may collect a Social Security Number, for example if you win a sweepstakes or receive compensation that must be reported for government tax purposes.
Digital Activity

Information:
Can include IP address, browser type, unique device identifier, cookie data, associated identifying and usage information of computers and mobile devices that interact with our products, and information about how you use our products and services, such as infotainment system usage, Wi-Fi data usage, and information about your use of Vehicle Mobile Apps.

Vehicle Information:
Can include information about your vehicle or information that is obtained from your vehicle that is linked to you or can reasonably be linked to you. For example, we may be able to link information to you from your vehicle, including license plate number and vehicle identification number (VIN), or vehicle status, including mileage, oil/battery status, ignition, window, door/trunk lock status, vehicle diagnostic information, EV charging and discharging and stationary energy storage details.

Geolocation Information:
Information that is your geographic location, including the location of a vehicle or other device that is linked to you or can reasonably be linked to you. When location services are enabled in your vehicle, we collect Geolocation Information while the vehicle is used and upon the occurrence of certain events. Some model year 2019 and later vehicles may have an option to disable location services. If you disable location services, we collect Geolocation Information only in the event of an emergency (such as in the event of a crash or when the emergency call button is pressed). Consult your vehicle Owner’s Manual for more information. In addition, when you use Vehicle Mobile Apps, we may collect mobile device Geolocation Information, such as location and speed based on your device's GPS sensors.

Demographic or Protected Classification Information:
Can include gender, date of birth, marital status, household composition, or veteran or military status. We may collect demographic or protected classification information when you respond to surveys or market research, interact with our websites and shopping tools, sign up for a GM account, participate in My GM Rewards, or enroll in OnStar.

Commercial Information:
Can include (a) information about vehicle purchases or leases, information about financing your vehicle, and information shared with us about your vehicle when it is serviced by a GM dealer or other business that you may use to maintain or service your GM vehicle, such as service history, mileage, and diagnostic information, (b) relationships that you have with third parties in connection with your use of GM products and services, such as GM dealers, energy utilities, and companies offering or operating in-vehicle applications, (c) information about your accounts with us, (d) relationships you have with GM in addition to the purchase and servicing of your vehicle, such as My GM Rewards, a My GM Rewards Card, or OnStar or (e) information about how you use our products and service such as home energy usage and related home charging preferences, or records of your use of public charging.

Driver Behavior Information:
Information about how you drive a vehicle that is linked or reasonably linkable to you, such as vehicle speed, seat belt usage, and information about braking habits.

Audio or Video Information:
Can include recordings of when you speak with our customer call centers or OnStar advisors to deliver safety and security services, in the event of, for example, a vehicle crash or health or safety emergency, or photographs and videos such as those that you may submit for contests, sweepstakes, and social sharing, voice command details and Vehicle Camera Information, which includes (a) Camera Images (external camera images or video collected only in the event of a safety event or a crash) and (b) Camera Data (data other than pictures or video that is data derived from the cameras and related sensors). We collect external Camera Images only upon the occurrence of specific crash or safety events. We do not collect Camera Images from any sensors on the interior of your vehicle, such as the sensors integrated into the Super Cruise Driver Monitoring System, but we may collect non-image Camera Data from these sensors.

Payment Information:
Can include your credit card information. We may collect payment information when you interact with our websites and shopping tools, get a GM account, participate in My GM Rewards or enroll in OnStar.

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I wonder how much info the Key Fob picks up?












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So called one of my old coworkers still in the business. Hard logs in the processor as Accident records, equipment failures, warranty type information is a permanent log. Running mileage, oil change intervals and some other base info is a registry log and also not deletable unless remove the processor for a third party wipe.

As to daily driving, these are soft memories, generally reset at three to five start cycle intervals and do not retain permanently. Machines from around 2008 and up have been equipped to basically dump the entire operating system if any attempt to remove the above permanent logs occurs requiring a Manufacturer remap. Covering their own junk constructing arses.
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IF I bought a GM, I'd be ripping out the Onstar antenna before I drove it off the lot.....!!!!!
that is a HUGE invasion of privacy, 1A stuff !!!!
The problem is YOU AGREED to it when you didn't  read the 'fine print'.

Check you vehicle insurance policy to see where YOU give them access to the cars 'computers' and '3rd party'(OnStar,etc) data.
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The problem is YOU AGREED to it when you didn't  read the 'fine print'.

Check you vehicle insurance policy to see where YOU give them access to the cars 'computers' and '3rd party'(OnStar,etc) data.

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Exactly... YOU GAVE THEM your personal data when you linked the phone or bought crap on the internet from them... AGAIN, you can not DELETE the crash / speed / airbag and other OPERATIONAL DATA that they collect.. BUT, you could eliminate GIVING THEM all you PERSONAL Data..
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BIG BROTHER is watching your every move. Didn't you comprehend "1984" when you read it? It was a warning, not an instruction manual. Why would any person with a working brain buy into the propaganda that new is always better and everything that the salesperson knows just what you need. Yes, you NEED all this garbage that has been added to new vehicles in the last 50-60 years.  Heated seats, back up cameras and those in dash video displays are just the tip of the iceberg. A car is an instrument to get you from here to there in somewhat comfort out of inclement weather. All those bells and whistles that the gullible fell for back when they started adding them in just gave the manufacturers free rein to keep thinking up what else can we think up to jack up the cost to these fools? 
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A LOT of the krap in new vehicles is done as it's CHEAPER than 'traditional' stuff.
IE A real ignition switch has a built in level of security,it's physical, unique,can't be duplicated, lots of parts....... that cost $$. replace it with a universal 50 cent pushbutton tied to a computer. Now EVERYONE can start your car....
..though for <$20 YOU can PREVENT it from being started and driven away by ANY of those thieves.....
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

A LOT of the krap in new vehicles is done as it's CHEAPER than 'traditional' stuff.
IE A real ignition switch has a built in level of security,it's physical, unique,can't be duplicated, lots of parts....... that cost $$. replace it with a universal 50 cent pushbutton tied to a computer. Now EVERYONE can start your car....
..though for <$20 YOU can PREVENT it from being started and driven away by ANY of those thieves.....
You still spew that same BS about starting a push button start car no matter what anyone says. I’ll give you a $1000 and let you keep the car if you can get in my wife’s vehicle and start it by only pushing the button.

Sheesh, key switch, BFD, when dad was a cop, he had a guy that could Hotwire a car in about 30 seconds and said add maybe 15-20 if it had lock steering. Like that was security!!!

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I cant speak for EVERY CAR...  But on a FORD, you have to have a MATCHING SET of the KEY FOB, Engine Computer , and the  Dash cluster when you "push the button" to start... If your Speedo cluster fails and you just REPLACE IT... TRUCK will not start... Have to go to dealer and have the Master Computer Tool REPROGRAM the Cluster to match the ECU and FOB...... just like if you get a NEW FOB... You can program it if YOU HAVE TWO ORIGINAL FOBS that match to initiate the program.... if not, then BACK to the Dealer to let them Reprogram.

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I mean think about it…would insurance companies cover theft anymore if all you had to do to steal the car was get in and push a button?! If you have/had a car that does that either something is wrong or something has been modified.
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No way to modify.. Dont care how smart you are, your not going to BYPASS it... you basically got 3 computers that talk to each other and the ALL have to have the same "PASSWORD" programed in or NO GO.
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I can STOP any car from being started and DRIVEN away, no matter if they've cloned your keyfob and/or reprogrammed  the computer through the OBD-II port. BOTH methods are how most car/suvs are stolen...

How it's done is SIMPLE, easy and 100% , ok 99.44% effective. Your stolen car will be 1-2 blocks away from your house

They CANNOT  'bypass'  MY  anti-theft method....

For less than $100 ANY reasonably modern vehicle ( EFI ) can be prevented from being driven away... $20 for parts, heck $5 if Radio Shack was still around....

But..... car thefts are NOT a big concern.bad guys make MILLIONS, tax free money ,Insurance companies don't care( they jack up your rates), car lots LOVE it ... more sales, cops are OK, job security, media THRIVE on  and of course the guvs love it ( here they get 13% of ALL car sales in taxes + 13% on jacked up insurance ) EVERYBODY wins..... well, except for the car owner...

I've sent over 30 emails to 3 levels of guv, 2 insurance companies, cops, and media.....ZERO replies....not ONE has even asked HOW  it can be STOPPED.

Oh well......if I ever buy a new vehicle, I'll spend $100 and in less than an hour it'll be safe from being stolen. At 71 I don't crawl under dashboard too easy, bifocals dont work under there either.
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OK, here's what you do....

Install a SPST switch in series with the fuel pump. Can be any type of switch, relay, wireless relay as long as it opens the power to the fuel pump. Same deal as the 'yellow' inertia switch that's been there for DECADES....

SIMPLE and EFFECTIVE... stop the gas getting TO the engine, it don't run for long. Thieves get out of driveway, maybe a block or two. DONE, thieves run away.
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All the Anti Theft Logic boxes at big money is how those do it.  Can call any of the Major Auto companies, they CAN Shut off a Auto anywhere at any time.
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BUT there isn't a thief alive that can BYPASS a hidden $2 switch ! They CAN and DO tell the computer to start the engine and DRIVE away.

what I do is BYPASS ALL the friggin' ' computers', old skool simple...

 if YOU want to test this, whack the right front passenger kick panel location may change on make/model) real hard, to trip the inertia switch, start car ,see how far you drive. If the fuel pump has it's own fuse, pull it out. same deal NO power to fuel pump.doesn't matter if thief has his computer controlling the car, it ain't going to go anywhere.
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any body can get the car to STOP.... the problem is getting the engine to START... you can not BYPASS the ANTI THIEF device.
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yes you can, thieves do it every night here in Toronto,cars get driven to Montreal, loaded into seacans, go to Africa.

Go to CBC Marketplace, find their show 2-3-4 years ago, guys are getting cars.SUVs in less than 60 seconds. It IS that easy !
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

No way to modify.. Dont care how smart you are, your not going to BYPASS it... you basically got 3 computers that talk to each other and the ALL have to have the same "PASSWORD" programed in or NO GO.
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technically they're NOT 'bypassing' it,They READ the 'passwords' from the computers (simple CANbus tech...) and use them.....to open/start/steal car....
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

yes you can, thieves do it every night here in Toronto,cars get driven to Montreal, loaded into seacans, go to Africa.

Go to CBC Marketplace, find their show 2-3-4 years ago, guys are getting cars.SUVs in less than 60 seconds. It IS that easy !

And thieves used to disable the key switch ignition in a heartbeat also, with less know how, so what’s your point? It wasn’t too hard to figure out your preventative measure, but I know it was just bubbling over waiting to tell somebody, so I’m glad you finally got that off your chest. Problem is, has nothing to do with it being a key switch or push button! Would work AND be necessary for either type. You made it sound like now that it’s a push button, “anyone” can now start your car. Well, ok, a crook can, just like before, only now the crook needs some tech instead of a screwdriver and slim jim.
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i would agree... You can not BYPASS or HOTWIRE, or TURN OFF the Anti Thief syste..  BUTT, if you have a SPECIFIC Computer that you tie into the PORT on the car and it can READ the "password" and artifically replace the FOB.. you could start the car..... But 99.999 % of the people do NOT have that capability / "Specific computer"..

that is how the DEALER manufactures a "NEW FOB" if you loose the old one.


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but 100% of the car thieves do ! Available online....

my comments are directed as to how to PREVENT you car FROM being stolen, supposedly a big deal these days.

you can buy key fob programmers for <$50 from China......
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General Motors reached a settlement with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission that will prohibit it from selling information on its customers’ driving habits without their knowledge and explicit consent for the next 20 years.

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Idiots here are investigating a Semi and Car wreck, car driver died sadly, truck driver glanced down to grab his drink, eyes back up she was just there. Investigators are alluding to a Truck “Black Box” that does not and has not ever existed. They can attain truck PCM data and his Dash Cam data but that is all, is nothing gives absolutes as to Driver Operational data streams.

PCM is the next iteration Command Computer , is a Powertrain Control Module, takes inputs from the other five to nine modules on the machines.

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The article I read Steve, it was banned only for 5 years.


          THE NEW YORK TIMES   Jan. 16, 2025

General Motors Is Banned From Selling Driving Behavior Data for 5 Years
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well.... 5 years makes it ALL BETTER, right ?

Furthermore, consumers should be able to limit data collection from their vehicles, with the ability to disable the collection of precise geolocation data and opt-out of the collection of geolocation.

This latest settlement marks the FTC's first action concerning connected vehicle data privacy.

FTC chair Lina M Khan said: “GM monitored and sold people’s precise geolocation data and driver behavior information, sometimes as often as every three seconds.



Edited by steve(ill) - 18 Jan 2025 at 10:45pm
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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