| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Jeffh13 
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote  Reply
 Topic: Disc Size
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 1:34pm |
I just started a small 80 acrea hobby farm. I just pickup a D17 and want to start using it. Wondering good rule of thumb to use, on what size disc it could handle. Soil is wetter and clay base. I don't know if that helps...
Thanks..
|
 |
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
TexasAllis
Silver Level
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Texas
Points: 396
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:04pm |
|
I run a fairly heavy 8 foot finish disk on my 17. I have sandy to heavy clay soil and in the clay its all she wants. My 17 is an LP so a good running diesel would pull a little better. Ballast and a properly set traction booster make a big difference as well.
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:07pm |
|
Running Gas... Properly Set Traction Booster?
|
|
TexasAllis
Silver Level
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Texas
Points: 396
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:13pm |
|
The Traction Booster (TB) raises the plow slightly when it hits a hard pull versus lugging down or spinning. Depending on what series 17 you have the TB is either on the steering column or on the hydraulic controls mounted on the right fender. If you do not have an operators manual get one it will help you set the TB.
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:15pm |
|
Thanks... I asked for one online..
|
|
TexasAllis
Silver Level
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Texas
Points: 396
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 2:22pm |
 Jeffh13 wrote:
Thanks... I asked for one online.. |
Welcome to the forum by the way. There is a wealth of knowledge here and some especially good people.
|
|
junkman
Orange Level
Joined: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Nevada, MO
Points: 355
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 3:14pm |
|
Welcome. As for your question. Depends a little if you are wanting a finish or cutting disk. I have a 9 ft. three point finish disk on mine and and really don't know it is back there. Wish I had a 11 or 12 ft. pull type.
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 3:19pm |
Well I'm looking right now and trying to find one. I trying to narrow down the possiblities. I think traction will be my biggest thing. I never got suck except on ice with it. But I don't really want to under size it and I don't want to beat it up either... Looking at pull types....
Thanks
|
|
Roddo
Orange Level
Joined: 16 Jul 2010
Location: Brant, Ontario
Points: 466
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 3:29pm |
|
Im not sure if mine is 11 or 12 ft but its a Keewanee disk. My WD 45 pulls it in 3rd with spike harrows behind it. A D17 ought to take it no problem.
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 3:47pm |
|
I guess the on;y thing I can see that might be a problem is I have only one valve..
|
|
ky wonder
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
Location: horse cave, ky
Points: 647
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 4:07pm |
1 valve is plenty the disk do not have to be powered down ,
so you can operate them with a single acting cylinder
again it will depend on type of disk, a heavy off set bog disk at 6' wide will give it a work out, but it will handle a 10' finish disk like my old kba john deere disk with out issue,
it depends on what you want the disk to do, cut deep into sod and bury trash or work freshly plowed ground and cut stalks
Edited by ky wonder - 31 May 2011 at 4:13pm
|
|
i like old tractors of all colors
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 4:40pm |
So I guess I want go accross sod to cut it up a little so it drys up faster, so that I can plow it. Disk up plowed ground and corn stalks.
So something like should be a problem.
|
|
Skyhighballoon(MO)
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Pilot Grove, MO
Points: 3115
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 5:18pm |
|
Jeff - that will work...but if you want a disc that has good parts availability at a reasonable price get an IH 37 or 370 disc (just make sure if it's a 37 it's not one with old spool bearings). I have a 10'9" IH 37 pull type that I love. My 180 pulls it like it's not back there but in plowed ground it's a bit much for my D17's if you put it down all the way. I wouldn't go over 10 feet. Mike
|
|
1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330
1969 180 gas
1965 D17 S-IV gas
1963 D17 S-III gas
1956 WD45 gas NF PS
1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin
303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 5:24pm |
Thanks for the info....
I'll keep looking
|
|
junkman
Orange Level
Joined: 02 Mar 2011
Location: Nevada, MO
Points: 355
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 5:34pm |
|
I would agree with sky high. for a good disk I would go with IH. sorry no offense to those who might favor others but I haven't seen a disk cut better then a IH. But they think highly of them any more. used to be able to buy one for three or four hundred but now over a thousand.
|
|
HD6GTOM
Orange Level
Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Location: MADISON CO IA
Points: 6627
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 5:57pm |
Jeff I have a 13.6 foot Kewanee disk I pull behind my deisel. It is the old rigid frame model. I put all new blades on it several years age, I can pull it in high side of 3rd gear but I dont. No mater how slow or how fast you go it ridges. I would stay away from one of these. Sold a 12' AC disk and wish I hadnt.
|
|
CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: NW Illinois
Points: 22823
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 6:45pm |
HD6GTOM wrote:
Jeff I have a 13.6 foot Kewanee disk I pull behind my deisel. It is the old rigid frame model. I put all new blades on it several years age, I can pull it in high side of 3rd gear but I dont. No mater how slow or how fast you go it ridges. I would stay away from one of these. Sold a 12' AC disk and wish I hadnt. |
Is your disk pulling level? I would guess it's deep in the back. I've not heard of a Kewannee disc ridging if it was set up properly.
|
|
|
|
CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: NW Illinois
Points: 22823
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 6:52pm |
Jeffh13 wrote:
Running Gas... Properly Set Traction Booster? |
Traction Booster is a draft control activated by the amount of "pull" on the snap couple bell for shifting implement weight to the rear wheels for better traction. With a wheel disc you can get the hydraulics to "snitch" the disc up when pulling hard but it won't add much to your rear wheels for traction. An Allis SC disc will work better in tough conditions with the TB system but any good wheel disc will probably do you fine.
|
|
|
|
Dave (NE)
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Eagle Nebraska
Points: 2148
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 9:08pm |
I pull a 13" allis disc with my D17 IV in third gear. Handles it well.
|
|
Auntwayne
Orange Level
Joined: 23 Apr 2011
Location: Edwardsville Il
Points: 1589
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 31 May 2011 at 10:24pm |
|
Ten bucks says that your disc is not beamed in !!! Do you have an owners manual ? You need one !!! E-BAY
|
|
SHAMELESS
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: EAST NE
Points: 29486
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 3:32am |
|
there is always a certain speed for each disk to work it's best, to fast it will ridge, try different speeds for best results....my 13 ft kewanee does a great job at about 4 mph, any faster and it ridges. my allis center fold will ridge at 7 mph, 5-6 mph it does great! dad's old JD 12 ft did a good job at 3 mph. my Ih wing disk does great at 5 mph. and depending on how each disk is set, you want it to cut and move dirt at the same time! to many people want the speed, i prefer a good job done when disking, especially with the fuel costs nowadays.
|
|
Teddy (punchie)
Orange Level
Joined: 14 Jan 2010
Location: Beaver PA
Points: 258
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 5:04pm |
Here in the hills I have 10' is all I need. You can still go down the road with them. I pulling them with a wd, in 3rd. Not up a very good hill, just too much load. This is a 9" inches between disks and 20" disks.
The d-19 pulled them any where. I would think a D17 should be a good match. What ever disk you use you have to set the cut. Some work better at different angles. Run them off set to the pass before. You can move dirt with a good disk.
By far the best disk I have ever used is an very old drag JD, not sure of model number, never found a manual for it, never seen an other one. Weight is only about 600 lbs. 8' ; 7 inch between disks and no weight needed to make her work. Just set the cut and go. Make dirt move any way you want. Easy to pull unless you are in loose dirt an set the cut too heavy. I have rebuild that old disk blades about 3 or 4 times. I use twine in place of old wooden bearings. Now mostly use it for finish disking the garden. Use the trans. of going down the road.
|
|
Ac D-19, a Number of WD's, One WD45, Two 444 balers, Ac plows and etc.
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 5:11pm |
|
Thanks to all...
You have given me a good starting point. Also gave me many things to think about that I hadn't thought about.
Thanks again...
|
|
DMiller
Orange Level Access
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
Location: Hermann, Mo
Points: 31513
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 5:33pm |
|
I rebuilt a 520 Massey last summer, cut it down to just under 11' by removing the wing gangs. For the money I paid and the machine it is I came out pretty well. The 180 will hog it full depth with the disc set to cut hard in 3rd/lo side if I want to but I generally keep it in 2nd/hi side. It has only 18" discs but I put notched blades to the front.
|
|
Auntwayne
Orange Level
Joined: 23 Apr 2011
Location: Edwardsville Il
Points: 1589
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 9:13pm |
|
SHAMELESS, You are very correct !!! Speed does matter !!!
|
|
nsula_country
Orange Level
Joined: 10 Mar 2011
Location: NW Louisiana
Points: 218
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 10:16pm |
Here is my Massey Ferguson 52 Disc Harrow that I recently rebuilt. I changed all gang bearings, moved the front blades to the rear, installed new blades in the front, new cylinder, new hoses, sandblasted and shot new primer and paint all over.
This is a 10" disc. My Farmall 504 diesel can pull it all day. The 504 diesel is 42 hp drawbar, 48 hp pto new. My 504 was built in 1962 and has never had an engine or injector pump job preformed. I plan to use my recently acquired Allis Chalmers 180 on it to see what its made of! Here are some pictures of my restoration. 
Enjoy! CT
|
|
SHAMELESS
Orange Level
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: EAST NE
Points: 29486
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 01 Jun 2011 at 11:00pm |
|
did i see ya disking sum firewood? nice disk!
|
|
Jeffh13
Bronze Level
Joined: 31 May 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Points: 13
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 6:43am |
|
Sweet... Still Looking...
|
|
nsula_country
Orange Level
Joined: 10 Mar 2011
Location: NW Louisiana
Points: 218
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 02 Jun 2011 at 2:26pm |
Breaking and leveling new ground I had cleared a few years ago. Why cut firewood when you can dig it up!
CT
|
|
