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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 12:28pm |
After the Hay Monster came up in a round about manor and I googled it to find out more it, which has me just going why. This fine devise in the pictures,which was always just a loader as far as I know for a name. But with it and a flat bed truck you have the same as a Hay Monster. You made brackets that you dropped the drag bars in and away you went with the flat bed truck you already had.  Or is there more to a Hay Monster. 
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 4:00pm |
Now that cows are moved. My Wonderful, that knows way more tried 3 but ............  Anyway don't know of a anybody using one of the old hay loaders since the Booker brothers that were over 90 kicked the bucket about 15 years ago. But a picture with the truck would help explain a little............maybe.  I will see about other pictures  .
Yes I forgot a nick name of the devise was "Booker harrowbed". And Harrowbed was what got tacked on the New Holland automatic bale pickup wagon way way back in 196x when ever it was new. There was something about the first initial in all the daughters names of the man that invented the whole shebang after they would not load another bale for poor old dad. An about the Booker brothers,2 orphans from the city taken in by a old couple with no kids. Did nothing but work 18 to 20 hour days an play a little softball till they were up in there 60's. An no women for them they cost too much money. Died owning 1500 to 2000 acres of the best farm land around,some to distant cousins of the parents and the rest to Salvation Army. An another thing about the Booker's it was said they could of planted the pavement in the freeway an they would of had the best crop around. Another foot note it was confirmed more or less about the Harrowbed name and the daughters names has it's roots in the truth. Cause one of the Red tractor guys lives in the same county where the Harrowbed came to life in a farm shop. Confirmed that he had heard that story many time and nobody questioned it there.
If any body has other things that are old time or regional about picking hay up out of the field i would be interested. Cause seeing other parts of the world from my easy chair is a big part of the fun of all this  tractor porn. Oh Shameless you are banned unless you got a picture of something farm related. Cause you would bless us with way more of your pink................. well we don't want to know about that.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 4:16pm |
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I've used my hands until this spring when I finally got smart enough to build a grapple. Funny how new machines make a happy wife. Didn't get the accumulator part done so we still had to handle bales enough to put them in packs of 8 but that's better than it was. I'll tell you what, a woman that will go handle squares with you without much complaint is a sure enough keeper
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 4:55pm |
Most all farm wife's are keepers.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 6:59pm |
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Tyler, if she will help you handle square bales she is definitely a keeper.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 7:24pm |
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Now that cows are moved. My Wonderful, that knows way more tried 3 but ............ Anyway don't know of a anybody using one of the old hay loaders since the Booker brothers that were over 90 kicked the bucket about 15 years ago. But a picture with the truck would help explain a little............maybe. I will see about other pictures .
Yes I forgot a nick name of the devise was "Booker harrowbed". And Harrowbed was what got tacked on the New Holland automatic bale pickup wagon way way back in 196x when ever it was new. There was something about the first initial in all the daughters names of the man that invented the whole shebang after they would not load another bale for poor old dad. An about the Booker brothers,2 orphans from the city taken in by a old couple with no kids. Did nothing but work 18 to 20 hour days an play a little softball till they were up in there 60's. An no women for them they cost too much money. Died owning 1500 to 2000 acres of the best farm land around,some to distant cousins of the parents and the rest to Salvation Army. An another thing about the Booker's it was said they could of planted the pavement in the freeway an they would of had the best crop around. Another foot note it was confirmed more or less about the Harrowbed name and the daughters names has it's roots in the truth. Cause one of the Red tractor guys lives in the same county where the Harrowbed came to life in a farm shop. Confirmed that he had heard that story many time and nobody questioned it there.
If any body has other things that are old time or regional about picking hay up out of the field i would be interested. Cause seeing other parts of the world from my easy chair is a big part of the fun of all this tractor porn. Oh Shameless you are banned unless you got a picture of something farm related. Cause you would bless us with way more of your pink................. well we don't want to know about that. |
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 8:12pm |
Here is how I put up my hay now. Over 1200 bales this year with no help. The 3ed cutting starts this week.   32 bales to a stack, then off to the barn.
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Posted: 30 Jul 2019 at 9:59pm |
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I bought a new Holland baler a few years ago, has a farmhand accumulater on it. it puts out an 8 pack each dumping. when we used to hire all our baling done, the dude that baled for us put on an accumulater, and when I had to pick up and haul all the bales by myself, that was a Godsend! I never got the loader to pick them up for me tho. my baler with the accumulator I bought, I never got to use it. the previous owner said it never missed a bale. so I can't confirm that. it's for sale tho! dad had a chance to buy one of those loaders like you pictured, but it mounted on the side of a hay rack and he didn't wanna fool with it as we'd have to dismount it every time we would haul a load home. PffffT! what really sucked was when I had to pick bales up by hand and throw them onto the back of a straight truck that had the back of the box removed, but had the box sides still on it. I could throw about 6 bales up, climb into the truck, stack them, and jump off and throw the las 2 on then drive to the next 8-pack and do it all over again...usually in 100 degree heat!
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 6:22am |
Ray......there is more to a hay monster.
Pickup snout on a hay monster mounts up front in the middle. Hay bales are delivered to a channel or tray that runs down the center of the bed......hay bales ride along that tray on top of two roller chains. Bales then move to the back of the wagon to the stackers......one on either side. They are picked from the shallow tray, turned 90 degrees and set down. Normal stack height for short hauls is 3 wide, 3 high.....with two on top to tie the stack together. So no real heavy lifting.......just a quick shuffle.
When the load is full......which is normally about 150 bales........its off to the barn....nearby or distant. Rig can cruise down the road at 30 to 40 mph.......it is on a truck chassis afterall.
At the barn, hydraulic motor that runs the drag chains is reversed......driver moves to the back......pulls bales off the truck and sets them in the tray on the drag chains. Guys who were on the back now move to the stack in the barn......snout up front becomes an elevator......so bales ride up that to the stop of the stack. Can shoot them about 8 high........or to a barn loft window. Has an optional snout extension, so will shoot them higher still if need be. Guys in the barn are moving them around on top of the stack, but no bucking up required. Still, stacking in the barn is the bottleneck and only hard part of the operation.
These do require a minimum crew of 2 and 3 are better, but what these do is allow you to leverage available labor to it's fullest extent.
Back when, we had crews using both....... 3 guys on a hay monster could move just about double what a crew of 3 could do with a truck and pop up loader.
The best alternative to one of these might be a NH stack liner.......one of 3 sizes or versions........and if you are setup for them (right barn, close hauls, etc), they would work........provided you get it set right, know how to maintain it and use it. I ruled those out as I'm selling small squares to local buyers who may be scattered as far away as 10 miles........and who still stack hay in small loft barns, or odd sized holes in existing barns. I charge enough for the hay (last was $8 for a 50# bale of grass hay) that I can afford to pay the labor enough to get them to show up and work.
If the hay crew gets after it, it equates to around $30 to $45 per hour.......and they can do that after 5 when they get off their regular day labor jobs that don't pay half that.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 6:47am |
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 6:51am |
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I ran a NH bale stacker twice, less manpower needed and can get them Self Propelled or drag PTO type, work pretty damn decent for a one man show.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 9:23am |
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We call it a hay loader in are day. But that was 60 yrs. ago. You would hook a bar just in front of the front duals of 2 ton truck then one behind the cab and another on the bumper. Two guy on the truck one driving. Have two trucks and two unloading you could move a lot hay in a day back in then days.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 1:37pm |
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Worked for a New Holland dealer in Ohio and we got tired of waiting for the New Holland crew to showup and setup one of them pull type bale wagons or trailer so we got the book out and set it up ourself, used to carry a certified New Holland bale wagon card after that
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 4:09pm |
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They are not much help if loading into a loft but can get the bales off the field and into a barn(Dry) to set them to a elevator to a loft.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 8:25pm |
OK, this is what a hay monster looks like in full fighting trim.
Have had help the past two days, and we have installed a new wiring harness for the ignition and all new gauges. Got the front snout off the deck and installed and working.
Even pulled a few old square bales off the stack and scattered them around to see if she would pick them up and she did. Looks a bit scruffy from years of neglect, but beauty is as beauty does and she is working as intended. New coat of paint someday will do wonders.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2019 at 8:27pm |
Another view of the business end........keep in mind this is 1970 technology and this particular example has been rode hard and put away wet more than a few times.......
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Posted: 02 Aug 2019 at 8:25am |
We still use a Graves bale loader and a 1954 Ford F-500 to haul square bales. I was just a little kid when my dad bought the loader. I don't mind loading the truck, if I have a good driver.
The part I do not like is stacking in the barn. We do not have a bale elevator. Unlike most people, we do not use a hay hook. My dad did not allow us to use one while hauling hay.
If someone would like to start a "Go Fund Me" account for me, I would be set. Only need $255,000 for a 'Bale-Barron'.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 7:51am |
Update on the Hay Monster.......
Put 260 bales down the other day for a test........had first 150 bales off the ground and stacked in the barn in one hour flat.
Neighbor wanted about 50 bales for his hay burners......so after picking up remaining 110 bales.....we cruised over to his place at about 20 mph.......stuck the nose of the front chute in his barn door and dumped bales off right where he stacks them. Rest are going to a different neighbor.......he stacks his in a loft......will shoot them up to him to be stacked.
Had 3 kids riding on the back......they were able to keep up stacking on the monster while picking up.....but they had their hands full on top of the stack. I was unloading on the truck and all I had to do was keep dropping bales in the tray. Bales ride the chains going forward and front chute raises up to become elevator to top of the stack.
BTW......tarps on the hay are because roof leaks pretty bad......rubber seals on nails mostly gone after 50 years. Just to the left of JD sickle bar mower is where D15 sat waiting for me for 20 years.....same D15 used to rake all this hay. 
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Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 10:12am |
DMiller wrote:
They are not much help if loading into a loft but can get the bales off the field and into a barn(Dry) to set them to a elevator to a loft. |
We had 2. Well, still have them, but not in use. One of them unloaded directly onto the conveyor that went up into the loft. Worked pretty slick when all was working well.......which wasn't all the time! LOL!
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Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 2:05pm |
modirt you got. 
I understand the trap. I will try for more pictures soon from my end.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 2:59pm |
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I picked up 175 bales of straw last night the old fashioned way, and by myself. Got my "steps" in for the day!
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Posted: 10 Sep 2019 at 6:59pm |
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If the tractor doesn't pick up the hay I do not pick it up. I bucked enough bales when I was a kid to last me a life time.
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I always laughed when the city bots asked me if their kid could come and help with picking up hay bales. sure I said, and always told them to bring gloves! they'd show up in foot thongs, shorts, and brown jersey gloves. they'd never come back a second day! LOL
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I always laughed when the city bots asked me if their kid could come and help with picking up hay bales. sure I said, and always told them to bring gloves! they'd show up in foot thongs, shorts, and brown jersey gloves. they'd never come back a second day! LOL |
,,,That must of been ME you are tsalkin bout,,Shameless,,,,,, I was tryin to get a date with this great lookin girl, whose father was a hay hauler and one time i was at her house when her father asks me if I had ever held a job and I told him, her mother and her that I was workin at the Chevrolet dealer after school and half day on Saturdays and been doin that for 3 years,,,!! He says,,"I want to see if you can do REAL work, so you be here at 6AM and we'll see if you know how to really work" I figure if I'm ever gonna get my foot in the door with him(and the daughter),,I'm gonna have to show em,!! The next day will forever be burned in my memory,,,,,I had never handled hay bales,,,but ,,what could be so difficult bout pickin them " Little ole hay bales up"up and puttin them on the trk,,?? Right off the bat he tells me he's gonna stack,,so I can load em,,easy as pie,,I'm thinkin,,chit the trk bed ain't THAT high,,!!
CHIT,,,it'd take me a few trys to get the bale up on the trk bed and wound up bustin some of the bales up cause of them fallin off the dang trk several times. He would get down off the trk, show me how EASY it was to "kick and throw" them bales up thar,,chit anybody can do that,,right,,?? The first hour of him gettin down, throwin some on trk, gettin on trk AND stacking em,,only to have to do it all over again a few minutes later,,Gosh,,,he must be gettin tired long bout now,,,,!!! Not even two hours later,,trk was barely 6 high and he was so friggin tired and mad he tells me ,,,"Get all you chit rounded up cause I'm takin you home,,,!!" He took me straight home,,didn't even let me help him UNLOAD the trk,!! I gave up tryin to date that girl,,,figured there was NO Way he was gonna let me in their house,,,,,,,Oh,,and by the way,,,,she's been married 3 times,,,maybe 4,,,,
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LMAO @ Joe!!! yep Joe...you was think'in with the wrong head! (poke,poke)
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Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 7:37am |
Never thought about it much, but having seen a bunch of folks handle small square hay bales in the past few years.......am beginning to realize hauling hay is all about attitude.
I hired 3 kids earlier this summer.....only 340 bales.......they arrived at 5 PM.....and we started in. Last load went into the barn at 10:30 and was left on the trailer. They were exhausted and I had already concluded those boys didn't have the knack and wouldn't have them back even if they wanted to, which they didn't.
For this last go round......called my cousin's grandson......(as an aside.....his grandfather was on hay crews that worked for us 50 years ago)......and he shows up with friend and a girlfriend. I thought girlfriend was just there for moral support.......not so.....she was hauling too and was good at it. She took every third bale......and they were running 50 to 55 pounds.......and she was still at it at the end.
Got a young man coming later today to pickup a few small squares to feed his nags while they are on the road. He claims to have worked on a large horse farm.....has bucked a lot of bales and hates it with passion. On a daily basis while at home.....he feeds larger bales that don't have to be touched by human hands.
Lady down the road......who is over 70.....only want's small square bales and feeds them herself.
Got two gents in their 60's who will handle the small squares themselves......one claims he has to buck his up into a loft window and does it all by himself.
So it's all about attitude.
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Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 8:07am |
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LMAO @ Joe!!! yep Joe...you was think'in with the wrong head! (poke,poke) |
Yep,,Shameless,,,,, thas always been my problem,,,and I'm thinkin it been yours and way many men before us,,,,,,
And ,,,one thing I have decided,,the skinnier you are ,,the better you can handle them bales,,,,My Uncle who couldn't have ever weighed more than 114# and 5'10 3/16" could flat outload anybody in these parts and make the best stacker earn his keep. He would try to show me it all in the knee and shoulders,,,then for good measure just get his hay hooks and he'd have thet bale up in the bed of the trk before quick could get ready,,,,all the time while he was talkin and never break a sweat,,,,un-friggin-believable,,,,
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Posted: 11 Sep 2019 at 5:51pm |
Some of them gals can out-fork a guy, any day...
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a lot of hay people around here bale up the big round bales, then rebale them into small squares when they get time. I don't like those bales, they lost a lot of leaves and usually don't flake off like when baled in the small squares first.
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our entertainment last Sunday here, there is a drug store cowboy that boards his horses across the road from us. he showed up with one of those BIG square bales in the back of his 1/2 ton 4 door short box Dodge pickup. I told the old lady...oooops...I mean the loving wife...this'll be fun to watch! he keeps all his hay inside the barn next to his horse stalls. 3 more pickups showed up, with 6 guys and a gal. they all huffed and puffed, pushed and pulled, the gal was I guess moral support as she kept patting her croych and grabbing what little lungs she had bouncing them up and down! it didn't help! the bale is still in the back of the pickup. they finally all left, then we watched as the cowboy wanna be cut the strings and started to carry one slab at a time into the barn! bet there was a lot of leaves lost outta that bale! oh well...it was funny entertainment for a couple hours!
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