Detroit in Allis 440

just thought i bring up the big perkins but a 3208 would be a good choice  , it would be very hard to beat all the benifits of the cummins

I think you need to re-think the Detroit ! This almost seems like it has an auto tranny but probably just the way the power director shifts nicely ? I would be tempted to do this. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwF5o-sVgs

Edited by Oldred - 07 Feb 2017 at 12:09pm

30 plus year ago I drove a dump truck for a friend of mine in Florida he had a 70s Ford L 9000 I think. It was a tandem 15 yard box with a 3208 Cat and a 13 sp road ranger loaded you never seen 13. 45 may 50 with a tail wind but a sweet running engine ! I think you would be OK with a 3208 in that 440.  Let see some pictures when your done what ever you decide.

What causes the coolant to get in the oil on the 555's? ---any ideas?----kinda need to know!! LOL!!!!

As for Detroits ,--I had an Oliver Super 99 GM  tractor  and people 5 miles away were complaining about the noise!!! ----it had a 3-71 with 105 injectors in it (smoked like 500 tires burning!)--- 4' straight pipe and you stuffed all the cotton that you could find in your ears ,----wasn't bad,---kinda fun actually!!---We had 1 farm just outside the village of downs , and I always farmed it late at night or 2 in the morning!---Got LOTS of reaction on that venture! LOL!!! thanks ; ac fleet

You must be a very light sleeper. I work shift work and if the help is running the FW30 with a straight piped VT 903 it doesn't wake me. The 903 can be heard 3 miles away. [/QUOTE]

wayneIA wrote: You must be a very light sleeper. I work shift work and if the help is running the FW30 with a straight piped VT 903 it doesn't wake me. The 903 can be heard 3 miles away.

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Huh?   We have a R62 with Cummins, a semi with a 8.3, a repowered 7580 with a 8.3, and a Rogator with a 5.9 plus the straight piped VT903.   Other than the 903 none are louder than a 426.   The 903 just has a good bark. None are as hard as the D17 when you work it on a person hearing.

CALEBnOK wrote: Ive got a 3406c I need finish converting to a truck engine. In factory form it made 540hp and 2626ft. Its got the 599 hp rack settings now plus a truck timing advance. Its an industrial so it had no advance, locked at 18°. Now it will go to 27°! Ill definitely be running a Pyrometer on that dude. Now if i could find a steiger Tiger 3 or versatile 1150 with a bad cummins id stick in.

Ran 3408's and 12's in early 80's, Wyoming, big pulling units chasing drilling rigs on completions/workovers.
Screaming Jimmies were kept for pumps (8V and 12V92's) but Jimmies faded quickly on newer mobile rigs coming into the area that were rated at 15,000' and deeper.
CAT's had steady torque coming out of the slips when coming off bottom on 18,000' foot wells with large tubing strings weighing 250K+ including drill collars.
Were faster as the Jimmy had to have time to "rap up" when you pulled out of the slips and by the time she topped out it was nearly time to shut her down on that 60' stand of pipe pulled.
Ran one we had with SXS 3412's and a Noster Box, that girl could come off bottom at 300,000# plus without breaking a sweat. Had to remove the derrick on her for transport as I recall she was close to 100K weight without the derrick.
Had a trooper at a port of entry put a tape measure on her from one outboard valve cover to the other once and he advised she was barely road width legal.
Good ol' days for sure as people got out of your way when they met us and bettin there is still handprints on some of those rigs steering wheels from driving them up/down mountain switchback rig roads, always kept the door unlatched myself, ready to bail.

the mighty KTA 1500 isn't as much of a beast as people make it out to be. Here's a chart with HP and torque specs for Cummins Engines. Cross it over with the caterpillar spec sheet and the cummins isn't to impressive.

Edited by grinder220 - 08 Feb 2017 at 6:23pm

compare a juiced cat to a stock kta, then yes, the cat can run with it, for a while, but juice the kta and it can produce way more than 600 hp, and live a long time. We're talking 30 years difference in technology as well. Some of the modern technology can be applied to the kta also. More modern turbo-charger for one. There is simply no replacement for displacement. 

A KTA might have been a big motor in the day, but cat can reliably get the same numbers out of the C15, and the C16 is that stout out of the gate. I think I'm going to look for a 3208T. Is anyone interested in the 555 whole or parts? I think it will run, but I haven't messed with it much.

GM Guy wrote: For ease of swapping, I vote 3208T. The later turboed 3208s were good engines, and if there are any specific parts you need for the swap, the green version of the same tractor will have the parts. Cummins is affordable to work on, but IMO they are not all they are cracked up to be. Some guys with Dodge/Cummins pickups act like Jesus Christ himself was on the engineering team. I like Cat stuff, the guy I work for part time during harvest has a few (3 3408 powered trucks, 1 3406) but I dont like the weight penalty and the cost of parts, so we generally pick out Cummins 855 powered trucks for our own stuff.

I like my Cummins especially the 8.3 I won't go as far as saying Jesus was on the engineering team but won't rule out a apostle or two may have been on the engineering team.

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Screaming Detroits sound like they are turning fast because they are two stroke engines, with each cylinder firing every crankshaft revolution. Nearly all the rest of the world's internal combustion engines are 4 stroke so each cylinder fires just every other crankshaft revolution.

Gerald J.

You can muffler the exhaust all you want, the scream of those engines is just unreal; nowadays, we have two in cranes and I luv to rev them , but dam they get annoying fast

I think the biggest oil source at the intake can be seals on the blower shaft.

Somewhere I have a shop manual because I wanted to learn more about those two stroke engines.

Just that the 2 stroke engine exhaust sounds like a 4 stroke engine at half the speed, so at 3000 rpm the detroit sounds like a 4 stroke engine with the same number of cylinders turning 6000 RPM. My Fiesta Echo Boost 3 cylinder is just the opposite. At 6000 RPM it sounds like a 6 cylinder engine just getting into its cruising range. The 1 liter engine claims 123 hp at 6500 rpm, helped by direct injection and a turbo.

Gerald J.