D17 vs IH 460

How do these two tractors from the same time frame compare?

560 vs D19?

Both 6 cyl

Neighbors 560's had 2-point hitch.Made hitching the plow simple.

the 460/560 farmall suffered from to much enjine for the drive train, they basically built the tractors with the same gears and rears that the m's thru 450's had used and that was a little light for the inline 6 cylinder's torque.

Blood line of the IH 460 goes 460-350-300-Super H - H..........Blood line of the IH 560 goes 560-450-400-Super MTA-Super M- M... The 460 line continued on with the 656-666-686 before it died out. The 560 was the end of the road for that chassis. The 706-806-1206 were the replacements.

My dad bought a 560 when I was a senior in high school.  It had a 2 point hitch which worked very well with a semi-mounted plow.  The hitch also had down force so you could put a block under the hitch and raise a wheel off the ground.  It was never a problem to get on the tractor from the rear------there was a certain sequence to where you put your feet getting on.  Once you learned it, it became 2nd nature.

It had good hydraulics including up to 3 remote valves.

There was a recall on the rear end that was performed on the tractor when it was a year or two old.  We never had any drivetrain problems with it (before or after the recall), and it saw a lot of hours (the big tractor on 560 acres).  We had a number of IH's with the TA and the only "problem" any of them had was the a campaign that was done on an early 300 before it had given us any trouble.

If you were going down a hill, you did not want to pull back on the TA.  It was an over-running clutch, and the tractor would go into free-wheel and start accelerating.  The first time I tried that with a 300 pulling a loaded manure spreader, approaching a gate at the bottom of a hill, was exciting!!!

I did drive a D19 once and didn't like sitting down low with my legs wrapped around the transmission.  Figured that would be hot and dusty pulling a tillage implement all day long.

The D19 had another 10-12 hp than the 560.


Edited by 427435 - 19 Apr 2011 at 10:08am

I was thinking that the 560/D19 were within 5HP of each other?

D19D is 66 pto hp. Gas was the powerhouse...

4/560 tractors did have some advantages.  Yes gas, you need to be a member of OPEC.  Diesel, you will run out of fuel because you don't need to check it very often.  Run it for days (hay field work) and next thing you will know is or crap I forgot to check the fuel!

Water in hyd....gear shift is on top of the trans....just like a D-17.  Big problem is the rubber boot on shifter goes bad.  Water follows down shifter into trans.  Also the bolt are recessed that hold trans cover on top of trans.  Put some caulk or something under the bolts to seal em up.  With that said my 806 which has a deck over trans is getting water in somehow.  Have yet to figure that one out.  Older 4&560 or early 656's didn't have enough head bolts either.  Head gaskets are a slight problem.  I have no idea how many hours are on my 656 (460) but I have had it for about 10 years.  First one Ive done.  Tach has rolled over.  If previous owner replaced gasket he didn't do a valve job.  So thin a couple of them were about ready to break off!  They weren't bad tractors.  Every color has good and bad.  I will agree Allis proably has the better hi low.  If you know how to use a T/A they will hold up.  Especially if you use both sides equally, and they say with the mechanical ones to either push in on clutch or pull lever back when shutting it off.

My D-17 is a gas.  So is the WD-45.  Haven't used it enough to check, but it seams like to me it guzzels it about like a 460 or 3010 gasser.   I think its just a gasser thing.

skipwelte wrote: the brakes on the 460/560 were bad for grabbing.  My uncle that we farmed with had a 560, you always had to remember to hit each brake pedal quickly before using the brakes to stop or they would lock up, epecially at road speed.   We pulled a lot of wagons and hay racks on the road,  they had a nice road gear and the down pressure on the fast hitch was nice too.

I learned that the trick with the disk brakes on these tractors was to keep them adjusted so that just a little pedal travel was needed to engage them.  They were actuated with  2 counter-rotating disks that had groves that tapered to nothing and a ball bearing in each grove.  That forced the disk pads out to the stationary housing surface.  The pads were splined and, if they had to be pushed very far to make contact with the housing, the splines would momentarily lock on the pinion shaft.

I spent a lot of time cultivating with a 300 and wanted the brakes to work without locking when turning at the field ends.  When the brakes would start to lock unexpectedly , I would just adjust the linkage again.

When pulling loaded trailers, did you ever master the trick of shifting from 4th gear direct to 5th gear TA on the roll??