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wernerhal 
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 Topic: D17 remote hydraulics
Posted: 12 May 2010 at 9:26am |
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I recently purchased the remote hydraulics kit, but no installation instructions were included or available. I would appreciate any help with the assembly and installation of this kit.
Also does anyone know if the auxiliary high volume hydraulics pump for the "belt drive" port is available?
Thanks.
Hal
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 12 May 2010 at 11:05am |
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"Also does anyone know if the auxiliary high volume hydraulics pump for
the "belt drive" port is available?"
As far as I know there was never an auxiliary high volume pump. The High volume low pressure set up on the series IV was a "live" pump and adding one to an older tractor would not be live.
What kind of kit did you buy? Got any pictures? Maybe some 17 owners will know what you mean without seeing it.
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wernerhal
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Posted: 12 May 2010 at 11:21am |
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< name="ITEM" value="PARTS AC Remote Hydraulic Kit - For D14, D15 and D17 Series I thru IV. Remote hydraulic kit allows conversion of older AC tractors equipped with 1 remote hydraulic hose to modern 4 way double-acting single spool remote hydraulic operation. Contains 4-way valve, 2 hoses wquick coupler & clamp plus inlet hoses & all necessary fittings./ACRHK-1/278.05/1/PARTS AC/0.00" ="">
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Hydraulic Kit - For D14, D15 and D17 (Series I thru IV). Remote
hydraulic kit allows conversion of older AC tractors equipped with 1
remote hydraulic hose to modern 4 way (double-acting) single spool
remote hydraulic operation. Contains 4-way valve, 2 hoses w\quick
coupler & clamp plus inlet hoses & all necessary fittings. (Part No: ACRHK-1)
This is the photo and description of the kit.
Hal
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 12 May 2010 at 12:38pm |
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Charlie - I've seen some people post the AC literature on an optional D-series hydraulic pump that mounted on the belt pulley location. I don't remember if it was a high or low pressure pump. It would have been "live" using the PD clutch but not "independent" like the D17 Series IV.
The kit Hal shows should allow an earlier D17 to have 2 way hydraulics but they'd still be high pressure from what I'd see. To operate, I'd think you'd have to hook the the lift arm lever on the left steering columm in the "on/raise" position to have constant flow from the pump. The kit would also have to have a sump return line installed to work.
Mike
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1965 D17 S-IV gas
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 12 May 2010 at 1:48pm |
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By the picture I would guess that 2 hoses come out the top of the 4 way valve and go to the quick couplers for your 2 way remote cylinder. 1 hose will connect to the tractor hydraulics, maybe plug into the single remote outlet??? The last hose would be a return line to the sump but if I was doing it I would put a filter on the return. The valve should be marked at least for the pressure in and return line. I have seen a tee added to one of the drain plugs with the return line from the axillary valve in the side and a plug for draining in the bottom.
Mike, I always said "Learn sompin ever day, when I quit learnin , might as well dig a hole"
Charlie
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 12 May 2010 at 1:50pm
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 12 May 2010 at 10:07pm |
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Point noted, but perhaps not clearly made... the Series 4's belt-pulley 'port' contains a high volume, low pressure pump system, but that's not 'all' of it- in order to make that pump (say you got one from a Series IV) work, you also need a mess'a parts from the back of the engine, to the front of the transmission... they redesigned that whole area to make that pump a totally-live drive system... regardless of clutches and gears, that pump is running, and it involved quite a few components to do so.
That being said, I considered getting either the 'right' parts, or a complete D17 flat-belt system, and spending some machine-shop time hacking the drive setup to accept an SAE-A or SAE-B type pump... the downside being, as others noted, that the pump would not be operational if the engine-clutch pedal was depressed. The side-bonus, however, is that when cranking the engine, you could 'unload' the hydraulic pump from cranking requirement.
Edited by DaveKamp - 12 May 2010 at 10:10pm
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DrAllis
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Posted: 13 May 2010 at 7:01am |
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Generally when adding any "two-way" aftermarket valve and using the original "hi-pressure" (3700 psi) belly pump to provide the flow, the two-way operating pressures are going to be 2200 psi (give or take a little) because most all of those valves have their own relief valve built into them.
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Nathan (SD)
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Posted: 13 May 2010 at 10:03am |
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