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DennisA (IL) 
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 10:38pm |
Here are a few pictures I took when I plowed up the hay hill back in 2006.
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Auntwayne
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Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 10:53pm |
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Those are great pictures. Nice and shined up!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 6:01am |
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Nice plow and a good plowing job. Not too deep. Nice looking soil..but where are the gulls..??? around here when I plow I'm almost overwhelmed by gulls following the plow... I always liked the snap coupler for contour plowing.. follows the draft line better than a 3PT. I switched to a semi mount with hydraulic adjustable cross shaft many years ago, but it doesn't work any better than my old snap coupler.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 6:04am |
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Looking good!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 6:53am |
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Nice ---- love that soil --- be tough to do in the heavy clay around here.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:27am |
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Sure looks good! Thanks!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:25am |
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Nice plow and powerful tractor! I have one question. In you're first picture there is a small piece twisted into a 90 that it looks like the 1st bottom is sitting on. There is one of these on the 1st bottom on one of my plows. It's loose and just flops around. What is this piece for?
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 9:43am |
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Can you still get that style of mouldboard that is slatted like that? What are the advantages of it?
Pastor Mike
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 9:54am |
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That twisted peice on front plow is to protect the points if plow is droped on a hard surface.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 10:01am |
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Thanks, so it's supposed to be loose. My 3 bottom semi-mount doesn't have it.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 10:07am |
 Allis dave wrote:
Nice plow and powerful tractor! I have one question. In you're first picture there is a small piece twisted into a 90 that it looks like the 1st bottom is sitting on. There is one of these on the 1st bottom on one of my plows. It's loose and just flops around. What is this piece for? |
The small piece is a shock shoe. It prevents the plow from hitting the points when lowered on a hard surface, or when plowing and hitting an obstacle. HTH Tracy Martin
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 11:34am |
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The theory of slatted moldboards, in proper soils is that it will:
1) break up soils (particularly sandy loams)to a finer degree...
2) Reduce the amount of surface area, hence surface drag, hence lower draft load...
3) Provide exit path for excess moisture, again, reducing draft load, and expedite drying out.
Some slatted plow systems have adjustment capabilities (slat twist, etc) that allow the farmer to adjust how the moldboard turns soils, so it can be tailored to produce the best result for the farmer's most difficult soil.
The concept behind slatted moldboard is multi-faceted (bad pun, eh?)
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 12:55pm |
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One more reason, in gumbo clay, theoretically they wont gum up! They don't near as often, but they can and will! And then the dirt doesn't slide off the moldboards but just becomes a huge chunk! Then you get off, take a shovel or putty knife and scrape the dirt off! Drive forward a ways, get off, cuss a little, praising the value and special characteristics of gumbo, scrape and repeat the former steps several times in a day! Most guys that have gumbo absolutely love sand!!!!!
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Ky.Allis
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 1:07pm |
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The sole purpose of slatted moldboards is to eliminate scouring problems. In some soils,a solid moldboard will not scour properly and dirt will stick to them resulting in a total mess. Here in central KY.,I have encountered fields that a solid moldboard will not scour no matter what brand it is. I bought a new 4 x 16 2000 plow when they were introduced and my dealer said the 387 bottoms would scour in any ground. After 2 days of trying to plow,with the help of my dealer ,we changed them over to the 394 slat bottoms and from then on they were the best plow I ever owned. The slat bottoms behind the D-17 appear to be 374 slat bottoms. The 394 slat bottoms were the next and last series of slat bottom AC made. You will not find new slats for either series.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 1:37pm |
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a 17 with a 5 bottom? someone needs to call "Ripleys" right now !
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 2:13pm |
Ky Allis, gumbo can and has been plowed with solid moldboards without sticking. The trick is that it has to be plowed very wet or very dry. The problem with that is those conditions only last about 4-5 minutes at a time every other year! The rest of the time one finds himself using non-church langauge! AMEN?
Gumbo is fun to walk in too. I used to have to get the cows in at night from the cornstalks to milk. Those beloved creatures of God's would be at the far end of the farm, a mile from the barn. Guess who, equipped with 5 buckle overshoes got to make that little journey. I'll bet this brings back fond memories for others!
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Brian F(IL)
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 2:41pm |
Dennis A,
In your travels, if you ever come across a beaming screw for a semi-mounted plow like this one has, let me know; I need one. Thanks. Brian F(IL)
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 5:14pm |
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yeah call ripleys a 17 and 5 bottom shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence. Wow is all I have to say. Pete
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Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 6:00pm |
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dennis. i suspect your 5 btm sc slat board might be the only surviving example in existence, any where. what a great example it is....really nice piece. tp studer, wooster,ohio.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 11:37pm |
I knew when I posted the picture that some would raise an eyebrow, but here's the road I have traveled.
My family has farmed with Allis-Chalmers equipment since the first tractor was purchased in 1938. My grandfather kept up with the changing times untill the late 1960's when he purchased his last new tractor-- a 1967 D-17 IV. He continued to farm until he passed away in 1993, at which time my two uncles and father took over.
I was raised in town, and only saw the farm when my grandfather needed help baling hay. I was interested in farming, but grandfather took great pride in doing things himself. Fast forward to 1997, I moved my new family to the Anderson farm. I started getting more involved in farming. After many questions and getting the same answer of "thats the way we always done it" I sought out answers from a different source. If I wanted to know what the capacity of one of the farm's tractors was, I just bought the sales literature for that model. For example, I bought a "CA". Then the sales literature that says it will pull a 2-14 plow. So I bought a 2-14 plow and my father said "a 'CA' will never pull it, you need a 'WD-45' for that". Well, you all know what a "CA" can do. So I started buying sales literature for all the tractors on the farm. I found that Allis sold 4-14 plows for the "WD-45" and 5-14 plows for the "D-17". So I found both plows so the tractors could be used at capacity. What I have found is that Allis did not try to over sell the capacity of the equipment. If the tractor is set-up for the plow and the plow is set-up correctly this will keep the draft low which in turn makes the plow pull easier.
As for the "D-17", I told my father that it would pull a 5-14. So I started to plow, and it was terrible. It was a struggle in first gear. For hours the tractor was scratching the dirt trying to pull it. I thought I'd be eating crow for sure, but it started getting easier. Once the bottoms were cleaned up and scoured, I was able to plow in 3rd gear.
Next time I plow with it, I'll be sure to get some video of it.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 11:49pm |
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isn't low 3rd slower than high 2nd on a 17? Don't matter,that's still a pretty good load and adjustment makes all the difference. I used to pull 4-16 in 2nd with the 45.Works in this dirt but I believe those who say "not here".
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Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 11:57pm |
here ya go
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 12:04am |
Dennis, in our clay, and a 4X14 sc semi mounted plow would make the D17 gas with os M&W pistons suck fuel hard pulling in second high and thats where the D17 diesel pulled it too. and real tough spots, second low. We have a three bottom slat that was for the WD/45 era tractors that we used behind the D17 tractors and that was third gear hi range all day long... But... time and wear goes up drasticaly faster with speed and pressure and the slats wore out and we couldn't get new slats for it any more and that was back in the eighty's.
Early 190Xt with 4X16 was second gear running in high range in our clay if you wanted to keep the tranny together... fellow plowed some land in third low and the rear end was never the same.
Later series XT could pull five sixteens but that was an oliver plow and still ytou did not want to run it in third gear unless you weree on sand or loam.
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 12:16am |
Steve, thst pic of yours reminded me of a pic I seen of a fellow with 6X16 plow hooked up behind his 530 JD... Bottoms all shined up. Looked really nice.. but he just snapped it for fun, cuzz he was putting the pow away in the shed and it was what could get in easily. Neighbor took a vid of his little fergy ulling 5x16 plow and it was scooting right along.. but he did it to demonstraight to his neighbor who bragged about how good his IH were that his meesily fergy could pull a big plow too. so it was set up in corn stalk ground and had a long cable run to the plow hidden by the stalks and had his brother out front with his big tractor. Showed the vid to the neighbor and he looked and looked and said that was impossible. An Ken said pictures don't lie. LOL He never did tell him the whole story. 
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 6:14am |
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On a D17 and early 190XT the speeds go like this slowest to fastest........1st low, 1st hi, 2nd low, 3rd low, 2nd hi, 3rd hi, 4th low, 4th hi. On the later 190XT it goes in order like this 1st low, 1st hi, 2nd low, 2nd hi, 3rd low, 3rd hi, 4th low, 4th hi. Here a D17 handles 4x14 in 2nd low handily. Never tried 3rd low but I'm sure it would pull it fine. 2nd hi was too much but this was in very black dirt with occasional spots of blue clay in the low spots and yellow clay in the high spots.
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 8:10pm |
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Wont happen around my neck of the woods here in central Oklahoma. We just got or old d21 series II back and our old Allis adds show series one tractors pull 7 16" bottoms. Our tractor has the big weights on the inside and 2 weights on the outside of the rear tires then we've got a starter weight and 3 slab weights out front. With a turned up pump the front tires are just skimming the ground and you have to use the turning brakes on terraces pulling 5 16' buried in 4th.
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012 at 9:29pm |
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JC I'm hurt! Every time I see working pics on here I think "I need to do that".Problem is when it's time to "roll" I forget or don't want to hassel someone to take pics. My daughter has a video cam so I could get some action stuff as well but then I'd have to learn how to put them on the computer. JEESH!!
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