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   Through the purchase of a new to me D-12, I have started doing some research concerning correct factory color. Here is the beginning of my confusion: My tractor is serial No. 2322. I have known of this tractors ownership from in the early 70"s if not as far back as the 60"s. When I read the Terry Dean handbook, it states that after serial No. 1950, the color changes to Persion Orange#2, with cream grill and bars. OK, When I see most tractors with that color scheme, they have a cream steering wheel. This on has a black steering wheel, that appears to be original. While water blasting, I find traces of Persion Orange#1. It has been repainted in Persion #2, so what is the deal, did no one tell this tractor that it was supposed to be Persion Orange#2 originally?  Or is there a chance that their data is off? I have read the same serial no. breakdown in one of Norm Swinfords books, but I realize that data from one book can be borrowed to another book. Can someone shed some light on this?

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David Maddux Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Points: 2520	Post Options Post Reply Quote David Maddux Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: D-12 Experts Posted: 3 hours 5 minutes ago at 8:36am
	Through the purchase of a new to me D-12, I have started doing some research concerning correct factory color. Here is the beginning of my confusion: My tractor is serial No. 2322. I have known of this tractors ownership from in the early 70"s if not as far back as the 60"s. When I read the Terry Dean handbook, it states that after serial No. 1950, the color changes to Persion Orange#2, with cream grill and bars. OK, When I see most tractors with that color scheme, they have a cream steering wheel. This on has a black steering wheel, that appears to be original. While water blasting, I find traces of Persion Orange#1. It has been repainted in Persion #2, so what is the deal, did no one tell this tractor that it was supposed to be Persion Orange#2 originally? Or is there a chance that their data is off? I have read the same serial no. breakdown in one of Norm Swinfords books, but I realize that data from one book can be borrowed to another book. Can someone shed some light on this?

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PaulB Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4684	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulB Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 2 hours 56 minutes ago at 8:45am
	What color does Norm Swinford's book say it should be? If I'm correct, he was an ALLIS CHALMERS Blockman or at least directly employed by ALLIS in some way. Many of the books I've read have conflicting information with Norm's book, whether this is due to a clerical error or just hearsay information, I can't say. If you wish to keep the Correct Police satisfied, I'd always defer to whatever information I found in Norm Swinfords's books.
	If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY

tbran Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Paris Tn Points: 3289	Post Options Post Reply Quote tbran Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 1 hour 34 minutes ago at 10:07am
	Norm Swinford spent a career with AC and had a passionate love for his company. Thus the history book in it. He was a marketing manager of the highest order. He followed Walt Buescher who wrote PLOW PEDDLER - a book on AC people. Both were top notch. Norm was in charge of the EXPO circuit with the EXPO gals - the first to use women in marketing in force.
	When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money..

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20265	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 57 minutes ago at 10:44am
	If you see signs of PO#1 on the castings, the rear wheel centers and front wheel centers should also be PO#1.