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Originally posted by Butch(OH) Butch(OH) wrote:



Originally posted by mgburchard mgburchard wrote:

Ken I don't know why I play your silly games but I do



Because silly games is the primary reason you are here to begin with Pank. Such as why post a picture you took from Marty's facebook page and post it here without saying so? Too bad the ploy didnt work. The Experts work got picked out
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Where is the two wire Gleason you claimed to own and operate? Liar

well butch its easier for you to believe a lie than the truth . truth Right there in your face but you don't believe it . a football coach told me once that only loosers wanted to challenge . winners have nothing to prove once again a winner was challenged . again the southern team won.south a zillion yanks 0 . As for Facebook I have a page Mitch doesn't neither of us belong to the soap oper as the tractor wheel turns but have heard that its loosing members

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http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41321

Neat, these experts think that a 1930's era Leroi cylinder head is a Honda Moto Gp....a well researched and designs factory head.....don't touch it.

Now that's funny, almost as funny as pankey and chad putting their heads together. One lies, the other steals. Which one is which?
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Its your lie .your saying you have head with larger valves but have all kinds of post on here that Pankey uses to big a valve . so which is it . is it Panks head with large valves or do you lie about valve size on here . by the way who is stalking who ? Feel free to stalk over there you can see Pankey has had a lot of input on that head from forum over years probably even see some neat computer generated flow curves

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Originally posted by wi50 wi50 wrote:

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41321

Neat, these experts think that a 1930's era Leroi cylinder head is a Honda Moto Gp....a well researched and designs factory head.....don't touch it.

Now that's funny, almost as funny as pankey and chad putting their heads together. One lies, the other steals. Which one is which?

Well Marty we have made a lot of headway this week on the ole A-C page at least
Pank finally admitted that engine one was not his build as he had claimed  and after he called Andy a liar for how long?  He even just admitted that he tells lies on here just for giggles, I guess we can quit asking him to show us the Gleason now? LOL

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I don't put much stock in what people say on various forums. Success stories, reputations, etc mean something. Computer generated Mumbo-Jumbo copied and pasted really doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. It just means you can push buttons and click a mouse.

This is why you're showing off my work asking for advice. Chad sending you pictures to claim are your own is absolutely hilarious. Can you two think on your own? Where are you fellas success stories? The only proof is ka boom, he took my money, etc type of stories.

I at least hope you enjoy watching others succeed. That's as close as you're going to get.
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What you reading butch.   Your mind lieing pank had that Leroy head back before 2010 when wifi came around forums .    Oh butch work union live better proof is in the check stubby. Pankey your the man ,
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Originally posted by mgburchard mgburchard wrote:

What you reading butch.  ,

Same thing everyone else on here reads except you I guess?

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Originally posted by wi50 wi50 wrote:

I don't put much stock in what people say on various forums. Success stories, reputations, etc mean something. Computer generated Mumbo-Jumbo copied and pasted really doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. It just means you can push buttons and click a mouse.

This is why you're showing off my work asking for advice. Chad sending you pictures to claim are your own is absolutely hilarious. Can you two think on your own? Where are you fellas success stories? The only proof is ka boom, he took my money, etc type of stories.

I at least hope you enjoy watching others succeed. That's as close as you're going to get.
that's a lot of speculation    So you got panks head cut seat larger so valves wouldn't be sunk and claim it as your work on a rare cylinder head really .    After saying pank uses to large of valves to begin with.   After saying this head is the head you've spent years of work relocating intake valves to center port clearly see in panks pictures that isn't done it's just like pank left it but has valves removed and larger seats cut
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If a guy looks back, searches old posts, I'm the one telling pank that the LeRoi casting is superior to the allis.....go look up some old posts boys. He argues that he "doesn't have one". Well, either a lie, or he's following in my footsteps. Proof is in the pudding they say.

I was running the LeRoi head all those years. I never used anything else. The cealing is higher in them and the exhaust port is shaped better. With work, they flow better than the allis castings can. For one highly modified like I made, its the best choice of cores to start with.
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I didn't move the intake valve centers on this, didn't have to with the porting, and by doing so the valves would get moved closer to the bore. Less room for valve, more shrouding.

I've moved the valves on other heads, where the induction system is limited, its beneficial on those to get the valve in better alignment with the port, and generally speaking the valve size is fsirley small when induction system is limited by a certain manifold or carburetor.
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Yep go look boys you'll find Pankey was in forum before WiFi. You'll find WiFi quoting one of panks quotes when he first shows the header . WiFi been using panks stuff from get go . Pankey says leroi head leaks .WiFi WC blows steam at end of pull. While looking and searching old post .search tractors using nitrous a lot of comments on pull off as well as yt and other sites that it's the only way a tractor from Wisconsin can be made to run . yeap in the turbo classes to.I have to agree with WiFi on posts though panks old head looks nothing like Honda gp head. So yep can't believe all post but can believe published authors like Pankey

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marty, my responce to your lunacy is on my facebook page. chad steininger.
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Im guessing you boys upset you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar, violated policy and were removed. That's to bad, get some counseling from pankey, he knows all about getting removed....in fact I bet him posting lies, my pictures without my consent and without giving me credit violate the policies here also.

Don't worry, anytime any of us used panks pictures we always gave him proper credit, used as an exams of what not to do, etc.

While its funny for some, I myself don't have much time for the drama. I will however throw some more pictures of the project up on here later when o get to a desktop computer. At least you boys will be able to see them then.
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who was removed and by who? i just posted on there not more than 2hrs ago on the antique pulling forum. go see! lmao. u know what u can do with ur calculator dont ya?
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For those of you who would like to see some pictures without them getting stolen and some nitwit claiming that he did it.....

I had this head under the bench for a while, the other day I put some pictures up on a website of it for sale allong with some other parts, knowing that no one is going to buy it it made for a humorous advertisement.  Then a few guys commented and quite a storm brewed leading to a few people getting removed.



showing an original casting and the modified casting manifold face.



Showing the original casting and the modified one laying at the same angle to show intake port allignment. 



Here you can see how I formed a teardrop shape on the short side radius.  The hole in the port is simply angled 25* one way and 15* another way and tapped 1/8" pipe thread for an injector nozzle.

The origianl ports were widened significantly and there is a wedge built in between them to split the ports out as far as I can go before starting to sacrafice any cross sectional area or cause problems with port velocity.

I probably won't give to many specifics, but it'll flow up over 300 cfm a bit when testing and working on things.  LIke any project, proper planning before starting is the key.  I'll put up some more pictures sometime of how I fill, where I cut the access holes. 
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This will show the alignment of the valve bowl to the port somewhat.



I built this to hold water, though the engine won't use any coolant, if I ever finish it.  We'll see, I'm to busy with the light super stock NTPA tractor to do much with this anymore.  Light super seams to take my time and money...though if I had a paycheck like that paystub on page 1 it might be enough to pay my income tax and buy a candy bar, but not billet turbochagers or pro mag 44's for ignition, or any of the fun stuff.


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with as many "headjobs" you do, there is no proof that that is the head in question. just like no proof i did anything other than your sneak mole saying so. i have no doubt in my mind, that one of u bought the head from mitch and did a lil more to it n claimed it. ol andy is famous for that and i know it for a fact. im glad u read my facebook post. hope it sinks in some day. you say, you dont like drama? you got the dress on for the biggest drama queen i even seen. oh yes, your bs got me tossed today, of couse, andy is a self professed professional and is moderator on there. you dont fight fair miss. come on, im the one who can prove your lie, so silence me.
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that truck head "unstylish" has on yt for sale, he got that from me. and looky whats going on now. back stabbing me over me being freinds with mitch. andy got kicked out of this shop by dad many years ago for trying to get a sneak peak at how we built our posi kits. but before that, he was hangin with me at all the pulls i went to begging for information. just like he did with mitch and brought to you and u did a lil more to it n bam, a wifi classic. well good for you miss! when andy figured out it alot of work to clearence a farmall, he quickly went to another color, he went to kurt hammel, then to mitch. tell me im wrong andy. you knw where the shop is, you ate at our table with us. i hope your social status is well worth all the backstabbing theiving ways buddy. hope u choke on the money i made u for getting you that head.
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Oh snap, this storm is getting real. You southern phucks must have had a soft year in the fields, shouldn't y'all be pickin cotton?

Mitch attended the Hellen Keller school of welding, you really think he can do port work like shown in the example?


Where's the Goeason snitch?
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A couple of post back the Leroi head was rare . now they must be plentiful post shows how many heads now ? I do wonder who the mole is WiFi ran a two barrel now he has a head fixed for injection after Mitch talked to alky digger last week . go ahead and show Jamison's crankshaft as yours to .

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Lol, you think Marty just put this together last week? This pile of parts has been around since at least 06. I was hoping day care wouldn't have started until after gordyville looks like you guys got a head start this year. Hey snitch, got any vids of your tractors running this year?
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Yes I posted mine in farm section going to pull grandkids on hay ride in a few days
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Originally posted by mgburchard mgburchard wrote:

Yes I posted mine in farm section going to pull grandkids on hay ride in a few days


Pulling grand kids... Takes some serious headwork to accomplish that eh?
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Originally posted by mgburchard mgburchard wrote:

Yes I posted mine in farm section going to pull grandkids on hay ride in a few days


Pulling grand kids... Takes some serious headwork to accomplish that eh?
yep according to Pankey when head in question left tn it was at 2.4 square inches
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Who finds it really funny that Mitch the Snitch ratted his buddy Chad out over on that other forum? Idk what's worse, taking the meth rock away from hookers in the trailer park or watching these two in-breads argue about a head they have never seen.  

The only race Mitch and Chad ever won is the race to their mothers egg, dad shoulda let that one go somewhere else. 
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Lol, you know it's a losing battle when they have to bring in somebody else to help fight the fight..... Seems that 2 more names could be banned off of this forum and we wouldn't be loosing a thing.
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Its always fun to watch a meltdown. As they say train wrecks are good for business. Though I'm still waiting for someone to poop in my gas tank as they claimed they were going to do, I bet they're full of.....see, I can be funny and insulting at the same time.


Now on the serious side of things, that cylinder head isn't for a pulling tractor. In life I've got certain things I always wanted to do, one is run light super stock for a while and the other is to set a land speed record, or make a dang good attempt at it. I have no idea how many years its going to take, but I'm going to run in Bonneville, and I'm going to do it with some junk that was designed in the 1930's

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I find it funny how every time we go through this one here, Marty provides fact, specs, pictures, and also as a team of people backing his facts and work, and best part of all is most of us have his work on our running tractors, that pull, and crazy as it may seem to you fried brain TN nuts, tractors that win. Had head work done by him on my 301 diesel, night and day difference. Beat 16 tractors my first time out with it, finishing in second place. And the best part of all, was he actually took time out of his schedule to work on it with me there and teach me something. The more this goes on the more people back his work and have proof.

So where's your proof tough guys? Where's you team of customers backing your work? Imaginary of course.
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Originally posted by wi50 wi50 wrote:

Its always fun to watch a meltdown.  

Unbelievable aint it?  I seriously wonder about radiation leaks down there,,,,
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