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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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Wow, is all I have to say to this. Epic post hahahaha, where do you come up with this nonsense? |
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wi50 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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The explanation Cranky gave is pretty much the same as this, that is the forces are transfered "across" rather than "through" the crank somewhere down the line to be nutralized. Thus keeping the main bearings in the block and the crank intact. The purpose isn't for balance, the engine is already balanced. The purpose is to keep the engine togather. It's easier on the crankshaft to "pull" or transfer the stress across the throw from the crankpin to the weight, rather than transfer it down the line somewhere through the mains.
It doesn't matter if it's a steam engine, W201 4 cy Allis, or a 40,000 HP engine lugging allong in a ship.
I'm not sure what it is that "jealous mitch" doesn't understand, but when he gets to rev an engine up someday he'll understand the importance of reduceing stress on the block. As the RPM increases, the stress on the block will also increase. Counterweights reduce the stress on the block.
I can't say that there is one single person out there in the winners circle with a non counterweighted crankshaft in any of these super stock engines. None. Plain and simple. The cranks are fine without counterweights at 2000 RPM in the field, at 2500 RPM on the road, and at 5000 RPM for a verry short time duration on the pulling track. Though try and wing one any harder and it's impossiable, the crank will whip, flex, vibrate untill it breaks itself when the main caps pull off the block.
Take the stock 426 Allis, anyone pushing one hard has a weighted crank. Wasn't needed in the field. They tried to push it on the pulling track and after some engine damage they got a weighted crank.
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Counterweights absorb transient torque by there mass which negatively effects overall torque. A builder can achieve the same desired outcome without utilizing coumterweights by using the methods I mentioned and cranky summarized with more torque being measured at the flywheel than is absorbed by heavier mass counterweights. the counterweights inertia itself can impart twisting loads on the shaft.
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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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Well thank The Lord they don't use counter weights in modern engines.......... ![]() ![]() |
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Edited by mlpankey - 25 Feb 2013 at 2:48pm |
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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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Or is it because of modern materials allowing manufacturers to build engine with lighter stronger rotating assembly's than ever before?? hmm a nobel thought. Modern engines aren't antique tractors spunky.
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Larry W. ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Location: Luck, WI Points: 280 |
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Mitch, you put together a 504 cube light superstock tractor, any brand you want, built per ntpa rules, if you can beat peissig, Lynn, Blackburn, and even Marty, for a season with no counterweight on your crank ill pay for a tv commercial on RFD TV promoting your shop and you as the greatest builder ever!!!!!
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Mrgoodwrench ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Location: CHICORA PA Points: 2087 |
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you nailed it larry...it's a question of credability and pankey has none...if he could prove that he can keep an engine together and win we would all be willing to listen to any building theory
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There are 3 ways to do job GOOD, FAST, CHEAP. YOU MAY CHOOSE 2. If its FAST & CHEAP it won't be GOOD, if it's GOOD & CHEAP it won't be FAST, and if its GOOD & FAST it won't be CHEAP!!!!
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Its amasing that some dont even pedall pull but are creditable. Heavier mass takes more to mkve you would think pullers would know that. But that means they pull which most on here xont. You want to free up torque and horsepower lighte thing up instead of making it heavie.r .all you counterweght nuts needs to explkre what a .100 larger journal does cor you
Edited by mlpankey - 25 Feb 2013 at 7:01pm |
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Rod B ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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No one's dumb enough to use a 1.75 rod journal other than pankey. They worked in a 20 hp tractor.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Nascar. No ones dumb enough to weld counterweights onto a stock crank for a 15 to 3000 hp engine when they build billet cranks daily if they were really worried with reliability . 1.75 journal ran 5 pulling seasons. Pretty reliable wouldnt you say.
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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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You continue to prove to the world, you are the village idiot. The best thing you could do is fold up and go away. ...Just like the rods in your engine did.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Heres some ceditable knoweldge. The first stroker 226 crank we did was 5 3/4 stroke with a 1.75 rod journal it had 11.1 compression ran top 4 .it didnt have straps or main girdles just stock main caps. The crank broke in august of the fifth season right behind the number four rod. We then did a 5.77 stroke 2 inch rod journal it never broke .never had anything but stock main caps and 14.1 compression. We then did a 6 inch stroke. With 1.88 journal crank never broke but it did have a billet center main cap the other two were stock. Those cranks had a stronger wire used in the journal and a 40.rockwell in radius so the crank could flex. When welded all the way with a 50 rockwell the crank would be cracked after first few runs.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Ps a ceankshaft with a little imbalance will try to jump out of our dynamic crank.balancer when spun to 5 grand.l
Edited by mlpankey - 25 Feb 2013 at 8:00pm |
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Rod B ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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You mean to say the engine you bought from Taylor that came from Tarbil. Otherwise why are you looking for someone to stroke a crankshaft and giveing thanks in those linked threads that others previously posted.
The only "we" in your shop is you and Benjamin Franklin. |
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Larry W. ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Location: Luck, WI Points: 280 |
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When you buy a new billet crank from a place such as riverside for a motor such as a light ss , it has been machined with the counterweight in it hot shot. And thats nice of you to call fellow forum members like the Domann family dumb, they welded on counterweight for years on the hurricane allis cranks. Brice Terry with the hy strung d21 welded on counterweights! But thats right, someone better tell Bryan Conner not to do that on Brices motor anymore since its obviously not working! |
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Rod B ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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Yo daffey duck, your lies are comeing full circle to bite you in the beak. Wi posted some pics of a really hacked up poor lookin crank of yours in a different thread. You gave some explanation of it, and now the same crank is from "your shop" in this thread. To bad you boned Kendak on that piece of junk.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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no need to do it if you make the journals large enough unless you need a way to balance the crank internally cause your opposed to doing it externally . No one yet has said how many cranks they lost before doing it vs after doing it to promote it . the only promotion thus far is monkey sees monkey do
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Larry W. ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Location: Luck, WI Points: 280 |
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Keith Haney runs a 426 with a German ac crank, thats a semi weighted crank at best, anything over 4500 rpms and it will basically start to fall apart. The guys with the weight added ac cranks will turn in excess of 6000 rpms with no problems. |
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Larry W. ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Location: Luck, WI Points: 280 |
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Your world of naturally aspirated antique gas engines does not overlap with high rpm, high boost pressure superstock type engines.
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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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Pankey's world does not overlap with reality. |
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Glockhead SWMI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: South West Mich Points: 2657 |
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But his sentences run on forever! |
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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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Hahah so true! |
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Butch(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3835 |
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And he asked why he has no credibility? Haha good one Rod, that engine changes builders with the day same as most all his other stories change with the day. Want credibility Pank? tell the truth, or least the same lie every week and credit your sources instead of being a plagiarizer. Pank just doesn't seem to get it, the weights are so the engine lives yet all he talks is HP loss.
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Butch(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3835 |
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The truth in a post!! Why I'll be,,, Yesiree while Marty prepares for another season with his LSS all you post is about is no counterweights because thats what others use,, Yup Monkey see Monkey do, wanna banana Pank, Haha!! All the electric you use posting 275 times a day would half pay for somebody to build you an engine for 2013.
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CTuckerNWIL ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823 |
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Panky claims he has a shop where he builds strokers. I wonder why this is laying around when he takes pictures.
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AC200Puller ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Points: 774 |
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LOL ! End of story!
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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a 400ci scat crank
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