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AllisChalmers37 
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 Topic: Could It Be Done??
Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:56pm |
There has been a lot of talk recently about what will become of the AC name if or when Allis-Chalmers Energy sells it. Plus I know a lot of you think that AGCO would try to buy it just to kill it but what if it turned out differently.  I know that everybody has heard of the Delorean Motor Company (DMC) whether it was from the Back to the Future movies or just from living in the 80's but something that a lot of people don't know is that you can go out and buy a 100% brand new Delorean DMC 12. That is right, the company did die in 1983 (much like AC did in 1985) but in 2007 it was bought and reopened and the model DMC 12 was put back into production with all new features and technology to go with it. And their has been rumors about Delorean reviving Pontiac's Solstice. Now I want to know if it can be done with the Allis-Chalmers tractor line? It would be amazing to be able to buy a NEW Allis-Chalmers tractor. That way it would be the right color and have the right name on the side and AGCO could do it's own thing. The only part that would be hard would be funding the project. I don't know, who knows? Just throwing the idea out here. Maybe some rich person who will listen to the customer will read this? LOL
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acd21man
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 5:02pm |
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id buy one if it wasnt like 1000000000000 dollars for just plastic and a computer lol make it easy to work on and it can be done......they say that the john deere early model 6400s computers are starting to go out and probly cost no telling what to fix
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 5:23pm |
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AC 37 you need to take a NAP. LOL
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 5:26pm |
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Dude! I didn't know Delorean was back. I just emailed my car buff friend and scolded him for not telling me.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 5:48pm |
There is a guy in Texas that bought all of the Delorean stock in 1995 and started Delorean Motor Co. He has been completely building new cars from leftover stock and rebuilding and selling them since 2008. They have a huge warehouse full of NOS parts. So really, you have been able to buy a new "old" Delorean since 2008.
Edited by split51 - 28 Jan 2011 at 5:52pm
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 5:55pm |
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Why are they bothering? They are still as ugly as they ever were.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 6:08pm |
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No, Allis ain't coming back, nor Oliver,Ford, MM, Cockshutt, and on. And if Allis ever was re-born, it wouldn't be the same. If GM brought back Olds, I still wouldn't be able to buy the '66 cutlass new I had years ago. The only thing you would get is an orange Fendt, or Fiat ! Your better off to enjoy the B or WD45, or D21 that not everyone will have years from now. If they had the web in 1930's , can you imagine the Rumely people howling ? VW "brought back" the Beetle , so they said , but it twern't the same. Good luck in your battle with time and the tide.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 6:16pm |
 Gary in da UP wrote:
No, Allis ain't coming back, nor Oliver,Ford, MM, Cockshutt, and on. And if Allis ever was re-born, it wouldn't be the same. If GM brought back Olds, I still wouldn't be able to buy the '66 cutlass new I had years ago. The only thing you would get is an orange Fendt, or Fiat ! Your better off to enjoy the B or WD45, or D21 that not everyone will have years from now. If they had the web in 1930's , can you imagine the Rumely people howling ? VW "brought back" the Beetle , so they said , but it twern't the same. Good luck in your battle with time and the tide. |
'fraid Gary's right, even IF you could accuire the name, and funding, it still would be a AINO ......Allis in name only! And, you would be entering in a market that has failed to support others, financially.
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AllisChalmers37
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 7:43pm |
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This was originally intended to be one of those perfect world questions.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:34pm |
KHD (Deutz) is what killed Allis Chalmers. When they bought them, they didn't have a care in the world for AC tractors. All they wanted was the dealer network and the combine. They just threw everything in the garbage and tried to force some puke green tractor down our throat by adding a Allis decal in front of Deutz. If Agco had bought them in the beginning I think things would have been alot different. I think they would have retained alot of the factories, personel, and engineering. From the time between when KHD bought them and when Agco took over all the past was destroyed. Factories torn down and engineering lost. IMO AC is too far gone to ever be brought back.
That's part of the reason Ford and IH has faired better through the changes of ownership. When new people bought them they still retained some of the old "heritage" through the changes and everything wasn't just trown away.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:57pm |
Sounds like my Norton motorcycles. Brand name has been through several owners from original. Name has went to or from England to Germany to US in several ventures. Now back in England and back in production
Triumph cycles the same , new triumphs only share the name, New Norton's still retain some of old look on some but all new company and engineering .
Sometimes dead is better as a memory or collector than a zombie that only uses a name from the past.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 10:47pm |
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How about those JUNK LAWN Mowers
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Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 8:23am |
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Fred, you are killing me; I just spilled my coffee LMAO ......
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Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 12:59pm |
For the sake of argument, there is a Versatile tractor brand again, and it is doing pretty well. I know some will have a fit about the Russian ownership, but they are selling a lot of tractors. I am leaning toward a Versatile MFWD (Ford Genesis) when the time comes to get rid of our Challeger belted tractor. My fascination with the belted tractor has waned since Marty dumped on us. I won't buy another.
The McCormick tractor name is back, and even though they have had some trouble, they are selling also. The Farmall name is being used on Case-IH small tractors, and I think the name recognition isn't hurting their cause any.
The Massey Ferguson name has recognition around these parts, but it sure isn't positive. We nearly cheered when the last of the 750/850 combines finally left the area. MF does not enjoy a positive image here. It will be an uphill climb for any sort of market share. They won't be getting my tractor business, be it red or yellow, or that fugly green color the Fendt is painted.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 6:49pm |
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AC37, I think you need to just let it go young man.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 6:53pm |
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Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 9:11pm |
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Redline, Have you had trouble with the Challenger? Seems like a person can get into the field a bit earlier with all that flotation. I remember seeing it in the shed when your dad showed me around. The tracked tractors have never caught on right around here because they have to be driven on the highway between fields too much. The JD dealer had one for a few months years ago to demo, everybody wanted to try it out but nobody bought it. I've got the only Allis 4 wheel drive in the county, of course there are less then a dozen 4 wheel drives in total here.
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Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 10:56pm |
I ride a 2006 Triumph Tiger, it bears no resemblence to any "orignal" Triumph but it's a better bike than anything the "original" company ever built. You can buy a new Triumph Bonneville that looks and feels like an original, but again is a superior bike in every way you can think of.
My 75 Norton is a great 1975 motorcycle, I want one of the new Nortons even though it's not "original", life goes on.
Volkswagens orignal Beatle was an ugly, crude but simple car. The "new" Beatle is an ugly, modern and sophisticated car.
I wouldn't say there isn't a market for a "new" line of Allis Chalmers tractors and equipment but it would be NEW, it would have to be to be competative with what's on the markey today.
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Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 1:16am |
JohnCO wrote:
Redline, Have you had trouble with the Challenger? Seems like a person can get into the field a bit earlier with all that flotation. I remember seeing it in the shed when your dad showed me around. The tracked tractors have never caught on right around here because they have to be driven on the highway between fields too much. The JD dealer had one for a few months years ago to demo, everybody wanted to try it out but nobody bought it. I've got the only Allis 4 wheel drive in the county, of course there are less then a dozen 4 wheel drives in total here. |
We have had electrical issues with it. Wiring harnesses, ECM, shift handle switches, park/forward/reverse selector assembly, fan belt idler issues all come to mind. To be fair, this was a low hour, used tractor when we bought it. I don't know anything about it's history. When it is working it is a very impressive machine, and the gremlins we have been chasing might have been caused long ago.
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