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    Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 8:36pm
A cordless drill is one of the handiest most convenient tools I've ever used. I love them, I've had several over the years. The same thing always happens with all of them. The batteries will eventually no longer take charge, and the drill becomes worthless. What's the point in buying a drill that will last you a lifetime if the batteries are only going to last three years? I have two nice Dewalt drills. All four original batteries are long gone. About two years ago I bought a new battery at Lowe's. I gave $70 for it. The only reason I didn't get two is because it would have cost as much as a new drill. How can they sell a drill, two batteries, charger, and case for about the same as two batteries? The battery I got at Lowe's I believe was better then the original ones, but now it's starting to show its age. I went back to Lowe's the other day to get yet another one, but they no longer had that kind. That's another bad thing about cordless drills, they keep changing them. The new batteries didn't look anything like my old one. So, I went on line and found what I needed. A two pack for only $27. Well they came today, and they are junk. I charged one up, and the drill only had half the power as normal. It wouldn't even sink one 2 1/2 inch screw before stalling out. So I'm thinking I'm done buying the name brand Makita, Dewalt, and Milwaukee. Harbor Freight has a cordless drill for $16.99. If it only last a year, throw it all away and get another. It will be cheaper in the long run. They're all disposable in my opinion. Sorry for the rant, but what do y'all think?
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After having all my tools stolen when my work truck was taken in 2005 (I got the truck back without any tools), Makita and Milwaukee had just come out with their 18 volt systems.  I picked Makita because I had always had their tools.  Yes, the batteries are expensive! After buying the third battery I usually just buy a new kit!  Now they came out with their 36 volt system (same battery, just 2 on the tool) and LOVE them!  I rigged up a deep cycle marine battery with a 500 watt inverter so I can charge them up with out 110 volt available.  Cordless tools are not for the faint of heart.  They are expensive to operate, but save an equal amount of time, IMHO!
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I'm still on my 4 year old Ryobi 18+ kit from HD,though I've bought 2 more as the 'kits' are cheaper than just batteries ! Aside from being dirty they still work very well.(have 2 brand new ones in boxes still), 3rd set came with an EXTRA battery too ! I 'rescued' an old style Ryobi recip saw, took out the safety and batteries fit/run fine(makes great pruner BTW) Yeah, it makes ZERO sense...like WHY could I buy the ice maker unit for my LG fridge $100 CHEAPER AND free delivery from a 3rd party and NOT directly from LG ?

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Get the Bauer line or Hercules line from Horrible Fright and buy a couple of the larger batteries. They cost a little more but are still less expensive that Dewalt. I have two driver drills, two 1/4 impact drivers and a 1/2 impact all Dewalt 18V and the batteries are slowly dying. Bought a Bauer driver drill , 1/4 impact and hedge trimmer along with a couple of extra batteries a couple of months ago. So far I am happy with them. Thanks for the heads up on the online Dewalt batteries, I was thinking of ordering some. Batteries Plus can rebuild the Dewalt batteries but the last time I checked a rebuild was $49 and back them I could buy a pack of two from Lowe's for $98 on sale and get a 10% discount on top of that.
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X2 on the ryobi 18 volt line.  Batteries haven't changed in design, in years.  They have gone to Li-ion batteries, though, and they can't take freezin weather...  Other than that, I love them.  2 favorite tools are the impact driver drill, and the 4-1/2" grinder.  Oh, and if you want batteries, there are aftermarket batteries, on the innernut, at about half the price that HD sells them for...Wink
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I use Milwaukee 12 volt and 18 volt drills , impact drivers and sawzalls . I use all of them almost every day . I have had great service from the place I buy from . I pay a little higher there than box stores/wholesale houses but any problems they exchange for new. In cold weather I bring the batteries inside at night (my van sits outside) and I am sure that extends life . From what I have seen if these batteries are not used everyday they will not last.

Was just on a large job and the general contractor had a bank of 20 Dewalt batteries he had to keep track of . He claimed no one goes home until all the batteries are accounted for . Seriously though he thought Dewalt made the best batteries for the money .

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Ranse.......... I got the same problem but with Craftsman... I bought the 19.2 volt about 15 years ago... have gone thru 3-4 sets of batteries and have 3 extra drills and 3 flashlights due to buying "packages"... I use the Skill saw, recip saw and impact the most... Couple years ago I bought the " 2 for $30." batteries off the internet and they have worked GREAT... I plan to keep doing that as needed... Maybe you just got a bad one... I would guess the same guy makes batteries for Harbor and the rest... I know they have several different sizes or capacities ( all the same voltage).. this is amp Capac.
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I have switched to 20 volt Dewalt. I still have some of my old 18 volt stuff and a couple decent batteries. Right now if I was starting from scratch I’d buy Ridgid at HD with the lifetime warranty on tool and batteries.
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I have a Makita impact driver and a Dewalt drill. I bought 2 new battery's for the drill last spring. Both work great. Seriously looking at a 20+v skill saw. I am always away from the sheds/house working on stuff. Ya I got 3 different generators but non with wheels.   

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Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

I have a Makita impact driver and a Dewalt drill. I bought 2 new battery's for the drill last spring. Both work great. Seriously looking at a 20+v skill saw. I am always away from the sheds/house working on stuff. Ya I got 3 different generators but non with wheels.   
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Back in '06, I bought a Bosch 36 volt drill with two Lith-ion batteries and it is still going strong. BIL bought two of them at that time also, and he had to buy new batteries a couple years ago for his. Thing is a brute. We were taking down a bolted quanset building and Nephew picked it up and put it on a bolt and twisted right out of his hand and over the side it went busting the drill housing. Bought a new housing for it and back to work with it.  Drill and batteries have never sat outside in the cold or rain in the 13 years.
Bought a 1/2" Milwaukee impact with the red lithium M18 batteries and don't plan to leave that out in the cold either.
 All my other battery powered tools have died over the years, batteries just didn't last.. 

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OK... hint on 'dead' battery pack.
One of my 4yr old used-abused Ryobi 18+  batteries wouldn't charge,so I tried to order battery cells from China. nope, can't ship(planes/fires I suppose).....they are '18650' used a LOT in tools and vaping machines(sigh). Anyway, I tear battpack apart...yeesh, friggin itty-bittycomputer in there on top of 5 18650 cells. I check voltages, one cell <2 volts. So I connected a 3 volt power supply(yeah, like WHO has them ???) to 'dead cell' for 3-4 minutes to put a minimal charge on the 'dead cell', it reads 2.3ish... close up pack, toss on Ryobi charger and it works. Maybe not as long as before, but still it works.

If you're reasonably handy, they are easy to change....

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Rance, I got one of those HF cordless that you referred to.  I should have returned it when I took it out of the box - no power.

I would be willing to try the line that Hubert recommenced though.

i just do not have the heart to toss that HF one and it just sets on the bench in retirement.

Well I finally did it.  That drill and charger are residing in my trash can.  Iffin you can reach that far it will be there until Thursday.  LOL


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Ranse,
They have us hooked on Battrees!
Same problems on this end too! I found I had a faulty charger.
 I have converted my 18v Dewalts to 20 volt with the adaptors. 
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I have a complete set of B&D firestorm tools. 9 tools if you include wife's weed wacker. They kept the same battery pack for many years built in the same plant along side dewalt using the same internal parts. Battery's finally started going bad won't hold a charge. Bought 3 NMHI replacements higher A/H rating than the older batteries and hold charge a long time. No matter what battery you use if it's left in the charger long term it'll go bad. I bought some cheep NoCry tools from Amazon this year. They are lithium battery's and work great. They had large numbers of good reviews and I'm happy with them. It's warm in my shop so cold weather shut down isn't a problem.
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I have the 18v Ryobi.  Tools all work great but I must have 5 chargers and as far as I can tell, only one works,  When I first got Ryobi they had the big batteries.  The newer ones have the half size LiOn batteries.  The guy at the store told me, Charge the new ones in either charger, but never charge the old type in the new type chargers.  I'm not sure if that is true, never tried it!

I watched a video on replacing bad cells in batteries.  It appears easy enough, you buy the $12 HF batteries and tear them apart to use the cells from them.  With all of the batteries I have and all of the Ryobi tools I have I guess I should. 


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Wink If we cheap folks would hold a gun to all the manufactors to use the same battery,LOL we'd all be rich. Well at least so prosperous we could have better than that black label beer.LOL


If your daring watch all the youtubes on how to revive the old batteries. Some of those are trying really hard to get a darwin award.LOL

After the batteries for a 12vt drill I had died, I tried to put wires from a auto battery to it I got nothing. I read it works Cry but not for me. Or did I Confused do it wrong, only 2 ways i could see. But that is like corded anyway so,it was just cause kind a thing.
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'new' cordless devices have computers in them, batteries have 'chips'... so you may not be able to use other batteries on certain devices. Same holds true for printer 'toner' cartridges... say they're empty but 15-25% left in them...
I made good money 'foolin the computer' years ago....

I just wish I could BUY 18650s from China...sigh...
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Bought Dewalt 18v 3/8, 1/2' and driver units years ago, still have them where take my extra and aged batteries to Batteries plus to have the bad cells replaced so can run again. 1/2' hammer drill has been thru hell and gone while still just gets it, the one older 3/8" I have has been dropped several times, knocked the trigger out of it twice only to snap it back into the hole. Not had a need to get any others and had these since 1999.
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I only buy OEM batteries, I have Dewalt and Milwaukee drills but I get on ebay and buy new, open box batteries or drills.  There are several guys who make a living buying kits on sale or multiple deals, split them up and sell all the pieces at about half the cost of new.
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I have a 8+year old Porter Cable drill and impact driver, lives in the service truck 24/7 365.25 days a year. one of the original batts crapped out about 3 years ago. Purchased 2 rebuilts from Amazon. They are better than the original and still going
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I bought a B&D battery drill and liked it a lot, came with 2 batteries and a charger. I went back to buy another battery and it was $49. then checking the tool isle I saw another drill with the 2 batteries and charger for $48. so I bought that, they were the 18V ones. I have since bought a couple 20V drills and other things like the 15 ft pole saw. I need a couple more batteries for the 20V tools. i'll find them somewhere hopefully. I too see the 40V tools, may hafta buy them just to get the batteries?
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20 years ago or so I bought a Makita 18V 1/2" impact and 1/2" drill. Very compact and real strong with good battery life. Lithium batteries. Used the heck out of them for everything for years. The battery charger started not charging them, needed new batteries from what I understood, something in the batteries wouldn't let the charger charge them. $150 apiece for batteries. No..... Charged them with a 12V auto battery charger for awhile and something told me to stop that and I figured they would probably blow up at some point.

Use a Dewault 12V driver and 3/8 drill and have a Milwaukee 18V 1/2" and 3/8" impact now. Very happy with them.
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I think one thing they should do is take old tools and batteries back for recycling when you buy new ones just like automotive batteries. Seems like I am accumulating dead tools and batteries and also rechargeable LED lites. 
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Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

Originally posted by 200Tom1 200Tom1 wrote:

I have a Makita impact driver and a Dewalt drill. I bought 2 new battery's for the drill last spring. Both work great. Seriously looking at a 20+v skill saw. I am always away from the sheds/house working on stuff. Ya I got 3 different generators but non with wheels.   
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Impact guns are nice. With newer technology they have a ton of options out there. I run an Dewalt 887 and a Milwaukee Surge. Both have a screw assist mode that will not allow you to not over drive screws. They make drill bits now that work with impact guns too.

At the end of the day though, I use a 12v drill for almost all of my household work. I use those two impacts for assembling furniture projects because of the assist mode but I installed two wall mount TVs in the last two weeks and never broke out an impact gun, just my drill for pilot holes and screwing into studs. Having the option is nice. Also lithium is what you want. I would check out DeWalt, they make awesome home owner tools and have a lot of options that are all cost conscious.
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