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DrAllis
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Topic: Combine + Grain cart = TRIBINEPosted: 18 hours 24 minutes ago at 7:16pm |
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Around the year of 1997, a man from Logansport, Indiana had an idea to increase harvesting capacity and decrease harvesting labor requirements. His concept was basically a combine that pulled a 1,000 bushel hopper directly behind it. The machine was articulated to be able to steer, where the tail of the harvester connected to the front of the 1000 bushel cart. As I understand it, from 1997 to around 2012, he built three prototype machines. Each new machine (I'm sure) incorporated new ideas and benefits to his dream futuristic combine. The goal was to have 1,000 bushels in the hopper and unload into a semi-trailer in 2 minutes and then right back to harvesting. This concept harvester eliminated a tractor, 350 bushel dump cart and an operator, to catch grain on-the-go and then dump into the semi trailer. I first became aware of it in late 2012 or early 2013, when he had just built the fourth prototype machine, using a Gleaner S-77 combine platform !! Man, I was all in over this !!!!! The most radical design change in harvesting since WW2 (according to him) was now working in fields of wheat, corn and soybeans and it was a GLEANER platform he chose to build his concept machine with !! I know little to nothing about the three previous proto's, but by now the TRIBINE had large drive tires in all four corners and was true 4-wheel drive. The steering was mainly articulated at the tail of the harvestor and front of the grain cart. It also had crab steer at each of the four king pins (for getting close to a truck) and compound steering (for sharper turns on the end of the fields). Well, apparently the GLEANER platform wasn't going to cut it capacity wise, as a Class 7. I'm sure he was getting lots of interested parties calling him and suggesting what it would take for them to purchase one of his new harvesters. So, from 2013 with GLEANER S-77 (at 370 HP) to a totally new design by 2016, with a 38 inch diameter axial rotor with TWO engines, totaling around 650 HP !! Well, the other machinery manufacturers were watching and re-thinking their position in the harvesting markets as the TRIBINE kept morphing itself into a larger and different machine. Today, everyone's unloader system is about double the BPM, shortening unload time, and grain tank capacity is also larger. Many of the large grain carts you can buy now are waaay more than 1,000 bushels and 1500 bushels is becoming more common every season. Where am I going with this ?? Think about the hundreds of farm equipment manufacturers from 100 or more years ago, who didn't make it. I believe in my lifetime, I have witnessed the beginning, the struggle to make it somehow someway work, and in the end, it didn't. I watched a brave man with a dream bet everything, and I don't think it has turned out well. I admire those who have more guts than I've ever had to follow their dream. Google: Tribine Harvesters and there is tons of information on this subject.
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AMB(wcIL)
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Posted: 17 hours 43 minutes ago at 7:57pm |
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I remember seeing the Tri-bine at the Farm Progress Show a couple different times. I to was impressed that he chose the Gleaner platform for the base combine. Andy
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Dennis J OPKs
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Posted: 17 hours 33 minutes ago at 8:07pm |
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I had forgotten about this concept. I'm not clear if they're still building any. Saw this thing at a Farm Equip. Show in KC Mo. when it was being introduced. You can bet the Big Boys have not lended any support and probably done what they could to quash the idea. There is another monster machine from Europe out there making some test runs. Again, not sure what happened to it. From what I recall it was a transit nightmare. Probably another example of a good idea with not enough financing for the long-term battle. Dr., thanks for the reminder.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 17 hours 19 minutes ago at 8:21pm |
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I just don't see where they are doing anything these days. The last public comments on anything from the owner was Oct, 2021.
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AMB(wcIL)
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Posted: 16 hours 49 minutes ago at 8:51pm |
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Didn't someone in Indiana buy the Bi-rotor on tracks and was going to try and make it into a production machine? Andy
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Posted: 16 hours 39 minutes ago at 9:01pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Dennis J OPKs
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Posted: 16 hours 34 minutes ago at 9:06pm |
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That European machine/system was called Nexat out of Germany. It was undergoing testing here as late as 2024. Not sure if anything happened after that. Google has some information on it and there are videos. It's a beast.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 16 hours 24 minutes ago at 9:16pm |
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I believe the Bi-rotor was purchased by John Deere and shelved. While it had some interesting features (like a rotating 360 degree cage/concave) it would have never matched the capacity of today's class 9-10 or 11 machines.
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Posted: 16 hours 8 minutes ago at 9:32pm |
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Yes, both Tribine and Nexat were interesting machines and I followed them for quite a bit. Since then I saw the Brazil "agro never sleeps" guys and they think the whole US fascination with grain carts is absurd. I see their point. They buy a second combine instead of the cart+tractor. Same labor. They park the semi at the headland, combine down field until half full, turn and combine back next to the section they just combined so they know the yield/field is the same and get full just as they are at the semi and unload. Even though they are idle unloading, the second combine doing the same allows them to combine at 189% of a single combine and cart system. Plus they have a backup combine if either goes down. A recent set of videos on grain bag systems revealed a few operators avoiding the semi truck labor and excessive long weight traffic at the elevator. Specialized bag fill and empty machines. So I expect the next big idea in combines will be onboard large grain bags that get dropped like round bales or long beans, with two typical hoppers in them. Or round bale size to handle with skid steers. Almost like the old days of AC All-Crop combines with bagger chutes instead of a bin. . |
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Posted: 14 hours 56 minutes ago at 10:44pm |
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When I run my brother's combine (6-30) in corn, depending on the field, I may take one round of 6 rows and a second round of 3 or 4 rows to end up with a full tank to dump. The field dictates what works, with waterways and row length. I have one long contour field where I take 4 rows down and back and have a full tank. The goal is to have as many bushels as possible before unloading. He plants 12-30's so I can do this. The negatives?? Over time and enough acres it will wear the center rows out faster on the corn head, but I'm not always the driver, so this isn't an issue (yet).
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Posted: 7 hours 33 minutes ago at 6:07am |
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Years ago, Uni-Harvester(New Idea) had a combine that had an additional unloading auger straight out the back of the machine. We would pull a gravity box behind, and unload on the go. Worked great especially when ‘opening up a field’.
I too, have always thought the grain cart usage is absurd, we would just park trucks/gravity wagons at the end of the field, then the combine would stop and unload into them. We would occasionally unload on the go, with just a gravity box pulled by a Farmall M, or a 400. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Posted: 7 hours 12 minutes ago at 6:28am |
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Shoot lars, my grandfather had that on his 66. But it wasn't supported correctly and it bowed
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Posted: 5 hours 56 minutes ago at 7:44am |
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Been 60 years ago, but we had a neighbor also pull a wagon behind his ALL-CROP 66 powered by an Oliver.
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Posted: 5 hours 36 minutes ago at 8:04am |
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Here carts work well. You can't get a loaded semi in & out of many fields and if you could, it wouldn't be in the right place. In wet conditions it stays on the road. Unloading on the go saves time although you need more manpower & equip. There may be some that don't use them, but most do and that proves the point. Usage may vary by locale.
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Posted: 4 hours 5 minutes ago at 9:35am |
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Been know to deadhead in road gear to other end and pick 3 throughs to end up full at truck. That's if I'm working alone. Grain cart is handy with help.
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Posted: 3 hours 28 minutes ago at 10:12am |
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INteresting concept but seem slike it owuld be extremely heavy in wet fields and not very nimble in small field. WOuld work well in larger drier fields.
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Interesting how many new ideas are just old things recycled. On the west coast where combines got a head start on the Midwest. I believe it has to do with weather that help the early combines. Up until the 1940's grain on the west coast was bagged on the combine. Local warehouses were set up to store bags no bulk bins. A bit before my time, but being in a family that had a large combine by 1912, lots of talk of combining. Combines had 16 to 20 foot headers out here from the beginning. Of course yields where not what they are today. And they had side leveling almost from the beginning.My dad talked of bag shortages during WW2. Partly because jute to make burlap bags was imported, and shortages of labor to make them. Some very interesting ways of moving bagged grain in the Pacific Northwest. With pictures and story's of trams taking it down cliffs to rivers below. From the beginning of this thread how big of a machine is too big. But something about the old is new again fascinates me. In the early 1960's my dad was spending 3 plus months out with John Deere 36b combine pulled with Cat D6 as a custom cutter all within 60 miles of home. A much different harvest window than most of you get. But the JD dealer figured he should get a good candidate to buy a new JD 95H. One of the big selling points the new combine had no draper to worry about with the auger header on the self propelled combines. Today draper headers are the latest and greatest again. From 1970 until 2016 I was involved in grain harvest. From 79 to 85 working for family with 3 to 5 Gleaner MH2's in the field. But nobody had a grain cart or did any unloading on the go. I know of several that had a grain cart, but was temporary storage as they had one truck to haul grain rather than 2. So idea of all the benefits or short comings of grain carts.Thanks for letting me ramble.......................about the good old days.
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Look at how farms have progressed. We got self-propelled combines. Then we needed bigger gravity boxes and trucks to haul away the grain. Then someone came along with a semi, but he didn't want to wait all day for a combine to fill him, so the farmer filled his wagons and trucks and augured it on to the semi. So, he could sell at a better market. But it took time to unload those wagons. Combines got bigger. Jon Kinzenbaw built a 400-bushel grain cart. Combines continue to get bigger and so do carts. Semi can't drive everywhere. Used to be some guys had 2 carts to fill the semi. Then it got to a big cart and a combine hopper to fill the sem. Now we have carts that hold more than a semi. I used to haul for an old farmer, he owned three 500bushel carts. When he started combining early in the day and the beans were over 14% moisture they went in one cart then as they got dryer during the day we used the other carts and at the end of the day all his beans tested dry enough. And he always had room to combine if I had to wait in line or drive further to a different elevator. You would be surprised how much more grain you can harvest with even an M or L if you don't have to drive to the wagon or truck and stop to unload. Unloading seems to take forever. And went we got better yields and 6 row and bigger corn heads you couldn't make a full round. Just look at the ratio of engine hours to separator hours. On a combine that unloads on the go vs one that stops to dump all the time.
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