Claas Tiger 60 Combine

I would think a person could rebuild older US made machines to like new for less then that and make some money. I don't know how much interest there would be in a "new" K Gleaner but perhaps...

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If you refurbished a Gleaner K, or an F, you would still have an old combine that is uncomfortable, and inefficient. That is not to mention, still gasoline powered... I don't like the hydraulics on the Gleaner, and all the wood block chain tensioners would have to go. I am pretty sure, by the time I was done, including labor, I would have over $150,000 in refurbishing a used 40 year old combine.

I restore cars for a living. I know how this stuff adds up quickly. Put 2 guys on a combine, to tear it down, and you would have $10,000 into just taking it apart. You can't compare Indian labor with US labor. Those guys make a dollar per day, adn work 10-12 hour days. You couldn't get someone worth their salt to do that kind of work for less than $25 per hour. If you are paying someone $9 per hour, you pay $9 per hour for taxes and workers comp and insurance, so that guy making $12.50 per hour is actually costing you $25.   Pay a union guy $25 per hour, and now, you are looking at $50 per hour.

Anyhow, what I am saying is, if Claas brought the factory over here, that $41,000 machine would cost $150,000.   So, build it there, ship it here, pay the shipping, and you are still ahead.

Tom, I'm glad you got an answer. I emailed Claas, and they wouldn't give me a price. I'll have to go look at the literature for the 60. I have a friend who deals with Chinese factories directly, and he knows a lot about international shipping on large scale.   The only problem you would have is finding someone who would service the equipment. Claas dealers would not have parts or warranty support on something you bought abroad and shipped here.

At any rate, if the 60 is that cheap, I wonder what the 30 rubber tire costs, and if they are available with a cab. Did the 60 have a cab?

I would pay $50,000 for a brand new machine. I could easily get 300 acres of custom work a year on a new machine which would justify the cost. ($25 min per acre custom * 300 acres per year * 10 years = paid off machine)

So, yeah, someone tell Claas to start shipping those things!

John-

"If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."

I like the idea but not for that machine. As stated. Can't do corn and no cab. Looks like an Sp100 size or smaller. So would I pay $50,000 for a self propelled all-crop..no. Would I pay $85,000 for a new F3..yup.

just found this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDCv2UNjlM

Check out the Crop Tiger 30 in the BED OF THE TRUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John-

"If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."

John_SWPA wrote:

If you refurbished a Gleaner K, or an F, you would still have an old combine that is uncomfortable, and inefficient. That is not to mention, still gasoline powered... I don't like the hydraulics on the Gleaner, and all the wood block chain tensioners would have to go. I am pretty sure, by the time I was done, including labor, I would have over $150,000 in refurbishing a used 40 year old combine.

I restore cars for a living. I know how this stuff adds up quickly. Put 2 guys on a combine, to tear it down, and you would have $10,000 into just taking it apart. You can't compare Indian labor with US labor. Those guys make a dollar per day, adn work 10-12 hour days. You couldn't get someone worth their salt to do that kind of work for less than $25 per hour. If you are paying someone $9 per hour, you pay $9 per hour for taxes and workers comp and insurance, so that guy making $12.50 per hour is actually costing you $25.   Pay a union guy $25 per hour, and now, you are looking at $50 per hour.

Anyhow, what I am saying is, if Claas brought the factory over here, that $41,000 machine would cost $150,000.   So, build it there, ship it here, pay the shipping, and you are still ahead.

Tom, I'm glad you got an answer. I emailed Claas, and they wouldn't give me a price. I'll have to go look at the literature for the 60. I have a friend who deals with Chinese factories directly, and he knows a lot about international shipping on large scale.   The only problem you would have is finding someone who would service the equipment. Claas dealers would not have parts or warranty support on something you bought abroad and shipped here.

At any rate, if the 60 is that cheap, I wonder what the 30 rubber tire costs, and if they are available with a cab. Did the 60 have a cab?

I would pay $50,000 for a brand new machine. I could easily get 300 acres of custom work a year on a new machine which would justify the cost. ($25 min per acre custom * 300 acres per year * 10 years = paid off machine)

So, yeah, someone tell Claas to start shipping those things!

I couldnt find any info on a cab or corn head. You want a cab? Only "delicate" farmers need a stinkin cab! LOL! As for rebuilding, I think it could only work out for a fellow who does it for "fun" and a few dollars profit because hiring a crew to do it would be cost-prohibitive as you stated. I have a customer who is getting into doing rebuilds of the All-Crop and is well aware that he would be making "Indian wages" for all the time he is putting into it.

Looks like Claas found a market, identified customer needs, and made a machine to meet those needs. Got to say - good for them. That is what a successful company is expected to do. AGCO, are ya watching.

How many HP is one of those older Gleaners? Maybe a retrofit with a new diesel engine!!

http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2009120310094981&item=28-1637&catname=engines

Those would work for an E or K.

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I guess the wood blocks are a matter of personal preference. Although, I do stand by my estimate of $150,000 to completely restore/rebuild a combine from the ground up, to make it absolutely like new, or rather, retrofit to be better than new. I have had many people (mostly older, but not to stereotype... don't take any offense) completely flip their lid when they see how easily I can have $100,000 in a restoration on a classic car, which is relatively much simpler than a combine. Although, with a combine, I don't think I would spend 40-50 hours massaging the sheet metal for a mirror finish, but I would definitely make everything as new, with no panels or parts left unfinished. I also just want to say that those who have shown great reaction to the 6 figure price tags on car restorations are NOT the owners of the vehicles. The owners are told ahead of time that restoring a cost is cost prohibitive, and if they want to own a car built to the level that you see on shows such as "Overhaulin'" then expect to pay the big bucks.

In fact, here's a quote from Chip Foose that I lifted from an article.

"History of the Overhaulin' TV show builds: "Overhaulin' builds an incredible car in just a week." Could they build a traditional hot rod in seven days? "Chip Foose replies that if you took 30 guys at a shop and had them work 16 hours a day, you could do it." Thus, a normal shop with a few guys couldn't do it. Foose continues, "Besides getting this kind of job done in this kind of timeframe would be expensive. ‘An average shop rate is probably $2,500 per guy per week, ‘says Chip. ‘If you do the math, if it's straight time, that's $150,000 in labor alone.'" So with this type of labor and the multitude of custom-crafted parts, including frame, suspension, engine, and interior this Model A has upwards or over 200K into it."

Now, if you were to go at it alone, or refurbish a combine for yourself, and didn't charge yourself labor, you could probably spend a year of your life doing it, and not have anywhere near that kind of cash into it, but then again, you would be working for nothing. Farmers do it all the time anyhow, so probably not a big deal for some.

Like I said in my other post... There might not be enough demand to warrant having brand new small machines, but I am definitely fed up with buying used up equipment and having unreliable machines in the field. Therefore, I for one, would be interested.

John-

"If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."

Sorry, I didn't pay attention. That's a bigger combine than I thought. I like the design like the Gleaner trans. I wonder if that side eject makes it so you can only go around the outside of the field kind of like the old all crops? If it's 55K as is, give it a corn head, put a cab on it and make the unloading auger hydraulic lift and make it $65,000 and it'd be great. I can't imagine doing beans without a cab.

Yeah. I really like my K.

Don't get me wrong. I like the gleaner for many reasons.

You got a steal on that. If you were to rebuild a mchine that was already in well kept condition, and get it for $1500, then you are in teh category of those who have gotten the deal of a lifetime.

If I could find a K in that condition, for that money, I would never complain again. I guarantee you I will be complaining for a long time, because tht kind of thing just doesn't happen to everyone!

Congrats!

John-

"If I can't fix it, I'll fix it so no one can."

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