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    Posted: 16 Jan 2022 at 10:05pm
I'm looking for guys thoughts on different church denominations. My church is currently hooked up with the elca. We are going to lose our pastor in May. We need to do something. There are 6 other churches in the area in the same boat. Any way there are a large part of the congregation that are not happy with the path that the elca is taking. They are pushing more and more politics. They are also pushing beliefs that go completely against the Bible.

So my question for you guys, we are looking at switching to either new life church or lcmc.

What do you guys know about either choice.
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I've never heard of the 2 denominations named. My grandson is going with a young lady graduating from seminary. You folks might take a look at a new graduate.
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We are very pleased with LCMC. So far no liberal policies that are in the ELCA.
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  Hey BobKYLLO,,,I hear what you are saying and that issue seems to just keep getting bigger and bigger these days. I was raised by two very staunch Catholics and we were always taught to "Lead you life Accordingly". Whether it is wrong or else, I have never felt you had to go to church or belong to a certain denomination in order to be "saved"  If you truely believe in your GOD and lead your life accordingly, you need not worry bout where you gonna wind up. I also believe the current pope has gone beyond what his position on life is supposed to be. Lots of long time Catholics are no longer donating to the church because of his lack of faith.
  Years ago a person of a denomination I won't mention told me with GREAT admonishment,,,,"The only way you going to get to Heaven, is thru MY church". That right there is worst than not believing at all.
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I'm with you on that Joe. If you have faith and live life accordingly what's the deal if I go to church or not.
I think it is a hammered in fear/guilt trip.
Not much difference between religion and politics.
I know where I will end up and am not in the least worried about it.
Just my view.
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LCMS  (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) is old school very conservative teachings and worship. No women pastors. Nothing liberal in thinking. Music is 500 years old sometimes. I believe they are struggling to survive in membership and pastor numbers because of the liberal thinking of the young and the young don't want this old-school stuff. The greatest percentage in my church are older in age, not younger with families. The liberal teachings of the ELCA in my area satisfy "itchy ears" that are talked about in the New Testament and are generally false teachings.
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Hate to say it but churches around here other than Catholic are going thru many 'Reorganizations' as well teachings are changing, doctrines are swapped as fast as some change socks.  Catholic is also changing but more slowly and as I see it not for the better.  Youth are yet again abandoning organized religions due to perceived inconsistency.
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I attend an independent non-denominational church.  It has it's base similar to a conservative protestant church belief, WITHOUT the meddling and POCKET-PICKNG of the district/state/national organization who takes a big percentage of the church's money and dictates what to do. (I grew up Methodist, and that church is about to implode with the division between conservative/liberals, and seems when the conservative churches want to leave... they have to BUY back their own church buildings  they have supported for generations, this is after the district takes all their money and assets).
I am very happy here.  I would suggest that you look into a local non-denominational church that meets your beliefs and support it.
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We are members/attenders at a WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) Church with a church-supported preK-8 elementary school.  I often say that, "If Lutherans were Mennonites, the WELS would be Amish!"  In all seriousness, we are very Othodox in our teaching and belief, and subscribe to the Unaltered Augsburg Confession, as well as the Athanasian, Nicene, and Apolstle's Creeds.  Our church also supports an Area Lutheran High School (grades 9-12).  The Freedom in Christ that we enjoy is seen by some as a
form os "strictness" that can stifle individuality.  The message from the pulpit puts Jesus front and center and tries very hard to stay OUT of Red and Blue Politics.  Our church history in SE Wisconsin pre-dates the American Civil War (1858), so we do have a history. For those so inclined, check out the WELS on the Internet.           R. Musgrave
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I agree with Gregg, NON denominational works for me also
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I think Dr Allis pretty much summed it up! This is a subject I could spend hours on, as many, I'm sure could, but I need to get outside and clean up Shameless's mess! 

My suggestion is start from the beginning; the Bible is the infallible Word of God. All of it, not just part of it, with nothing added.  If the Bible appears to be conflicting, then you must broaden your study of the Bible, because it does not conflict. One must also, use common sense when studying the Bible, sometimes it is historical, sometimes, legal, sometimes poetic, sometimes in parables, etc. 

If one does not view the entire Word of God, in context, and exclude mans' add ons, then you have nothing. Not trying to be offensive here, but the same Bible that tells us how to get to Heaven, have eternal life, is the same Bible that instructs us on are responsibility for formal assembly and worship of God, of the responsibility of men, not women to be leaders in the church, and of the abomination of homosexuality, and abortion, etc.

There is not one denomination, including mine that has it 100% right! There is not one denomination that can assure membership in their denomination is a guarantee of a place in heaven. But, there are lots of denominations that if their teachings are heeded, is a safe bet for a 'rejection at the gates'!

The Bible is for everyone to read, study and follow. Don't take my word for what it says, and don't take a priest's or minister's or preacher's word for it. Your eternal life depends on it! Just living a 'good' life, 'doing the best I can', etc won't cut it! Jesus said, "be ye therefor perfect.....". Since we are all sinners, none of us can be perfect, but the Bible says we must be perfect to get into heaven, so who gets into Heaven? It's in the Bible, check it out!

Choose your denomination according to how faithful they are to the Bible, the whole Bible, and only the Bible!

OK, I could keep going, but I gotta go clean up some of Shameless's mess!
I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
Wait for the Lord;
be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27
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Amen Lou.
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Can someone tell me what LCMC is?  What do the initials stand for?
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Originally posted by Brian F(IL) Brian F(IL) wrote:

Can someone tell me what LCMC is?  What do the initials stand for?
Thanks for asking, I was wondering as well.  I think it maybe is supposed to be LCMS for Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, but I could be mistaken.
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LCMC & LCMS are 2 different groups. Google it.  Could be wrong but I think the LCMC spun out of ELCA as a more conservative approach.  There is a website that explains the present structure.
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Oh.  Thanks.  Not confusing at all.Big smile
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I was raised in ELCA but in college began attending LCMS. As others stated, much more conservative and I really like it. I've also attended a Mennonite church when I was working in Kansas a couple summers back and I liked it. They followed a simple, direct interpretation of the Bible (primarily focusing on New Testament). 
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Originally posted by Dennis J OPKs Dennis J OPKs wrote:

LCMC & LCMS are 2 different groups. Google it.  Could be wrong but I think the LCMC spun out of ELCA as a more conservative approach.  There is a website that explains the present structure.

Thanks, Dennis.  I did Google it.  You're right; they are different.
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I belong to an ELCA church and we are large enough to have a pastor and an assistant pastor. My M-I-L's church (also ELCA) is much smaller and her pastor serves 3 rural churches, and in a few years will be in the same boat as bobkyllo,  the pastor plans on retiring and nobody on the horizon to replace her.

I agree with the changing politics and have had a discussion with one of the pastors about his "political bent" as it was regarding praying for the people who are getting evicted for non-payment of rent. I asked why we weren't praying for the landlords (I am one) who have not been able to collect rent for the last 9 months due to government policies and are close to losing their properties as they can't afford the taxes and insurance with no income coming in and can't kick the freeloaders out. 

My biggest pet peeve with our church is attendance is WAY down due to covid, was shut down for 6 mouths (the pastors did video's), offerings/income is WAY down and yet they and other church staff were getting full pay (why are we paying full time building maintenance person when no one is in the church?) and the synod is getting their full amount but they keep begging for more instead of cutting expenses, like laying one of the pastors off until in person church started back up.

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AMEN, Lou. You pretty much nailed it down. And others have presented some good points. Belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ is what will assure your salvation. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." No person can save you, no church or denomination can save you, your good deeds can not save you. Only Christ can save you.

Don't take my word for it, read and study the Bible yourself. Find a church that preaches and teaches the whole Bible as the true word of God and listen to if what they have to say lines up with the Word. The more I study the Bible the more I see everything coming together.
Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.
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My thinking is in line with Lou and Hubert.
We are between churches as we speak.
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I listen to an online services of now. until I find what I’m satisfied with I will keep up with the online church.
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Comunity Christian Church is big around here now , more relaxed married people are the pastors - Catholic is the biggest , and drawing the young folks away  all I can say  dang the Lord sure luvs money as every one are always  supposedly way behind
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The old joke is that ELCA stands for Even, Liberals', Communists and Atheists'. Hope that doesn't offend anyone. We go to Community Church near here, they seem stay with what the bible says. And out of politics as much as possible. As I understand it Jesus wasn't trying to start a church, his goal was salvation. However a church is important, to have a place to teach the word of God and have a fellowship.
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I grew up in LCA now ELCA.  Churches in small towns and rural areas are having a very difficult time and even churches in metro & suburban areas are feeling the effects of covid along with the lack of interest by students & not feeling the call to go into ministry.  The trend to non-denominational churches is present but overall attendance is down.  Unfortunately, the trend will continue.  There are those few mega churches with dynamic pastors & messages that are exceptions.  We all have to make decisions based on what we feel is best for our own individual situation.
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Anyone remember Jim and Tammy Baker !!!???? And the PTL corruption
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Anyone remember Jim and Tammy Baker !!!???? And the PTL corruption

Even went to one of their services back around 1976/1977 when I was going through a rough time in my life. Didn't get much out of it though.
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I would suggest that you attend several churches and maybe a couple outside your comfort zone.   I was raised Southern Baptist, my wife Catholic. I converted. Boy that was a stretch for me. I didn't agree with everything but kept an open mind. We both walked away from the church after all the sex scandals came out and both our priests were reassigned because of said scandals. Wife attends a nondenominational huge mega church now. It's vibrant and has three pastors and she enjoys it. Me, not so much but I go every once in awhile to keep her happy.
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I am with Robert in the WELS,also LCMS is close to our save ways
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Small church just across the field from me is LCMS , as was the church I joined way back when I was 16,  (that church changed to ELCA later) , so this church I have now been a member of since 1971
  The pastor at the church has been installed about a year now after last retired after 6 years there . Odd thing he was raised Catholic and decided around 30 to get more involved in his religious beliefs and decided to research more into religion, ended up becoming a Pastor in MO SYNOD . 
  Seems there were a couple divisions and mergers in the Lutheran church over the years and a lot of changes in ideas - Abortion being one big issue , along with Gay Marriage , Women Pastors and other interpretations' of scripture . 
  One thing I can say is for the last 50 years I have not missed a chance to go to church IF IT SNOWS as I have been plowing the parking lot there ever since I joined .
 use to be a gravel lot when I first joined and I did the grading on that as well as graveling it a few times . On the new church building they built i put in the septic system for it and also clearing much of area for new parking lot 
  Kind of looks like I might spend more time there later as wife is buried there , in part of Church Cemetery I was hired to create back in the 80's - never thinking it might be a final resting place within the work I created . 

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