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DREAM 
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 Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 8:25pm |
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OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords.
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Posted: 28 Sep 2010 at 10:30pm |
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<<<<<wonders if my WD45 tractor has the 292 in it, it has a chev 6 cyl in it, with 2 trannys, bought on an auction this year. haven't had much chance/time to look it over better yet. it's just sitting here lookin pretty! (like me) !! lol
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Hudsonator
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 9:10am |
 DREAM wrote:
OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords. |
The local rules around us stipulated that the engine had to be used by the same manufacturer. In other words, If Allis used the engine in any piece of equipment, you could put it in an Allis tractor. Those rules were local to our circle, who knows what other rules may be out there.
Ironicly, that rule was crafted by the Oliver guys to silence our Custom Model B. Previously you could run the stock block and head, any rpm, any gear, any carburetor, with any wheel type. They didn't like being taken to task by a 230 CID flathead turning 5500 rpms, which was within the existing rules of the time. So, they changed the rules to get the later Waukesha engines with more ports, more mains, etc. They didn't pay attention to their rule making and opened up the ability to put the 292 Chevy in a WD. Allis used it as the gas engine in F combines.
That first season was funny. The Oliver boys had worked all winter on their new 12 port, 7 main Waukesha engines - while Dad and a couple of his cohorts worked on the new Allis versions. By spring, the Oliver boys were again dismayed. 3 Allis 292 tractors were running out our hometown and would take 1-2-3 place every pull. Finally, the class just got down to the 3 "Yellow Jackets", as they were called, and wasn't as much fun anymore. There is some truth to the old saying "its lonely at the top". Russell Wattenbarger's Red Diamond IH is the only thing we've run across that can't be handled by the WD/292, but then Russell's tractor can't handle itself half the time and breaks the tranny.
One neighbor sold his south, Alabama I think. Another neighbor just pulls his at the Macon Co. Fair, once a year. Dad, has retired from "high speed" pulling and has his for sale. Or, if we find a good vehicle - disassemble the tractor and use the engine in a 6-powered Rod.
But, that's why there wasn't a Ford - or some other 6 cylinder engine in the WD.
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WCCLASON
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 10:48am |
Would it be possable for you to post or e-mail a few pictures of it. any help i can get would be amazing. Like how the trany was addaped...motor mounts... just a few little things. i am a machinist and can make the adapters if i have to i just want to know what im getting myself into.
Also thanks for all the info...didnt know if i could get people talking about this again. i have a 49 WD i want to do this to. I have a freshly rebuilt engine out of a old chevy bus to put into it. how does the allis trans hold up to the 292? clutch? just wondering how well this works. Thanks again for the info...
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KS Husker
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 1:14pm |
My uncle put a 292 in a 45 diesel about 25 years ago. Motor lasted a long time. This and a 190 were his main tractors for years. Motor finally wore out and finished putting another 292 in it this spring. 
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DREAM
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Posted: 29 Sep 2010 at 5:28pm |
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Husker, that WD-45 looks like it may be crossed with a 190, or 100 series anyway. LOL!Instrument panel, fenders, floor pan, seat? Got any more pics of that beast? Very interesting.
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WCCLASON
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Posted: 01 Oct 2010 at 9:25pm |
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does any one else have any info on the actual parts needed for this swap? up close pictures of how the engine was mounted.... anything they had to make to make it fit. also i know in the begining of this topic someone said they had to use a long input shaft out of somthing to make it work. does anyone know what that was about?
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L Hud
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 6:23am |
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WC go back and read the whole thread. Most of the info you need has already been mentioned. You will need an adapter for the engine to trans. and another one to adapt the flywheel to the 292 crank. The allis flywheel will need to be repunched. I still have the one in the pics. and it is for sale.
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Posted: 02 Oct 2010 at 9:21pm |
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Husker, what a nice job on that WD, someone went to a lot of work to make it a "modern" tractor.
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mlpankey
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Posted: 03 Oct 2010 at 6:54am |
Hudsonator wrote:
DREAM wrote:
OK, I know we're talking about Chevys going into ACs here, but what about us blue oval fans? Anyone tried putting a 300 Ford 6 in an AC? I know, some of the parts would be more expensive and the heads would really need work, but all of the ones I have had in pickups would beat the chevy 292(and 305, 307 V-8) trucks when pulling heavy loads. The sixes were closer in power than the small V-8s. 292 is respectable engine, as are most small block Chevys. Just more partial to the Fords. |
The local rules around us stipulated that the engine had to be used by the same manufacturer. In other words, If Allis used the engine in any piece of equipment, you could put it in an Allis tractor. Those rules were local to our circle, who knows what other rules may be out there.
Ironicly, that rule was crafted by the Oliver guys to silence our Custom Model B. Previously you could run the stock block and head, any rpm, any gear, any carburetor, with any wheel type. They didn't like being taken to task by a 230 CID flathead turning 5500 rpms, which was within the existing rules of the time. So, they changed the rules to get the later Waukesha engines with more ports, more mains, etc. They didn't pay attention to their rule making and opened up the ability to put the 292 Chevy in a WD. Allis used it as the gas engine in F combines.
That first season was funny. The Oliver boys had worked all winter on their new 12 port, 7 main Waukesha engines - while Dad and a couple of his cohorts worked on the new Allis versions. By spring, the Oliver boys were again dismayed. 3 Allis 292 tractors were running out our hometown and would take 1-2-3 place every pull. Finally, the class just got down to the 3 "Yellow Jackets", as they were called, and wasn't as much fun anymore. There is some truth to the old saying "its lonely at the top". Russell Wattenbarger's Red Diamond IH is the only thing we've run across that can't be handled by the WD/292, but then Russell's tractor can't handle itself half the time and breaks the tranny.
One neighbor sold his south, Alabama I think. Another neighbor just pulls his at the Macon Co. Fair, once a year. Dad, has retired from "high speed" pulling and has his for sale. Or, if we find a good vehicle - disassemble the tractor and use the engine in a 6-powered Rod.
But, that's why there wasn't a Ford - or some other 6 cylinder engine in the WD. |
I think the Alabama tractor your thinking of is the tractor Kieth Mcdaniels owns now who does live in Alabama Tractor goes by Willy Make it on the side panels. You tube eaton Ohio 6000lbs natural aspirated theys a ford on there who turns some serious rrs. along with some molines ,farmalls and olivers . Also that agricultural motor rule has its limitations massy ferguson combines ran a 327 v8 chevy try putting one of them in a massey 44 and see if they will let you pull . They send you straight to the v8 class
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Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 3:09pm |
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i'm putting a 292 in a d-19 this winter been doing the motor now i'm fixin to start the process. does anyone have any tips to make it less painful !
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