CA starting problem

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   I recently came into possession of a CA model and I’m trying to restore it. I put the new wiring harness on according to the wiring schemati but I still can’t get the tractor to even turn over. It is the pull rod starter type. I don’t have the light switch wired up yet, is that making a difference. Any suggestions would be appreciated 

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Kirk95 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 01 Feb 2019 Location: Virginia Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kirk95 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: CA starting problem Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 6:59pm
	I recently came into possession of a CA model and I’m trying to restore it. I put the new wiring harness on according to the wiring schemati but I still can’t get the tractor to even turn over. It is the pull rod starter type. I don’t have the light switch wired up yet, is that making a difference. Any suggestions would be appreciated

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Sugarmaker Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8318	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sugarmaker Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 7:21pm
	Kirk, Welcome. A variety of things could be the problem. Check grounds and also for spark at various places. Regards, Chris
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Dave(inMA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2398	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave(inMA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 9:31pm
	Kirk, welcome to the Forum. You're in the right place to get help with your CA. The light switch affects only the generator charging rate and the operation of the lights. It does not affect whether the engine will turn over. So...since you did not say.......is the engine free so you can turn it over with a hand crank? Assuming that the engine is free, do you know that the starter motor is functioning? Again, assuming so, keep in mind that the circuit involved in spinning the engine with the starter is the battery, ground strap, the cable to the starter switch, the starter switch, and the starter motor. Make sure that the battery is well charged. The ground strap has to be attached to a CLEAN spot on the tractor. The cable from battery to starter switch needs to be in good condition and, if you are using a 6 volt battery, heavy enough to carry the current needed to spin the starter motor. Which brings us to the starter switch which is (my opinion) not one of AC's better ideas. The switch functions by bringing the moving contact inside the switch to touch the copper "button" on the starter motor. Often this switch won't make good enough contact to deliver enough current to spin the starter motor. One test you can perform is to disconnect the cable from the switch, remove the switch from the starter, and then momentarily touch the cable end to the copper button on the starter. If the starter spins, your problem is the switch. Hope this helps! Dave
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AC720Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4998	Post Options Post Reply Quote AC720Man Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 9:31pm
	The CA is a positive ground tractor. This sometimes causes confusion. Check all your connections, make sure they are all clean. Double check the schematic and your wiring connections. The starter may need to be tested. I dont have a diagram but I cant imagine the lights not being hooked up is your problem. Need to get her spinning over first and then go from there. If you haven’t already I would replace the battery cables with good heavy cables. Welding cable is excellent for this. First things first, get the engine spinning over first.
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Ted J Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18853	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ted J Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Feb 2019 at 11:09pm
	First of all, WELCOME to the forum!! Which way does yours wire up? Do you have a + or a - ground?? Did YOU disconnect the battery from the tractor? Which way was it? Does it have a 6v (volt) or a 12 volt battery in it? ALL of the above makes a BIG difference in how we continue....... BUT, take heart and we'll go from scratch. Another thought, the starter solenoid could be stuck in the ring gear. This too would not allow the engine to turn over as the starter is jammed. Have you tried to turn the starter over with a crank first? If the engine turns over, do the following..... Let's assume you have an original setup and it is a + (Positive) ground. Take a set of jumper cables and try this: Go from a bolt of a spot on the frame or motor where these is NO paint or take a wire brush and clean a spot off. Clean it GOOD!! Now, hook the BLACK (negative) side of the jumper cables to that bolt or whatever you cleaned off. Hook the other (black) end to the POSITIVE SIDE OF THE BATTERY. Now hook the RED side of the jumper cables to the NEGATIVE side of the battery. Now be careful while doing this next part.... Have nothing hooked to the starter, NOTHING. The bolt coming out of the pull type starter switch (where the pull rod hooks to), hook the other end of the RED jumper cable to that. Now pull on the starter rod. It should turn over. If NOT, you have a bad switch on the starter. This OFTEN happens. This is the first step and the easiest to determine if the starter is any good. Hope this helps. Good luck and come back with more info and we'll get you going.
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Gerald J. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gerald J. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 1:08am
	Shop manual should help. http://geraldj.networkiowa.com/Trees/Allis-Chalmers-G-B-C-CA-Service.pdf Gerald J.

Dick L Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dick L Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 6:26am
	Welcome! Always good to see new names show up. I would start by removing switch on the starter. Two little screws and off it comes. The starter itself doesn't care if it is hooked to positive or negative ground or if it is 6 or 12 volts for testing. You should want to see the inside of the switch at this point anyway at the age of the tractor.

MACK Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACK Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 7:16am
	If the ground cable is bolted to steering post, move it to toque tube bolt. Steering post screws into torque tube, some times rust around threads don't allow post to ground. MACK