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JasonB
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 10:24am |
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Not sure, but I imagine by 1983 Allis Chalmers was in a fight for survival and probably were forced to take whatever amount of $$ they could get out of the dealer. Either way, both the dealer and AC involved took a substantial loss. |
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Ray54
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 1:23pm |
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Hay Creston I have had more MYSTERY fires on a Gleaner than a John Deere. Had several MH2's with smoke coming out of separater,no bad bearings or rubbing parts where found. Both where one and done never had more problems,but the Jd it was easy to see what caused it. I think where the fresh air is sucked into the Gleaner cab may have smelled the smoke faster than a JD as well.
No matter the brand can never keep the engine compartment to clean. Smelling smoke a 100 degree day and a grain field just kind of takes the fun out of the day.
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CrestonM
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 1:44pm |
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Really? I've only heard of 1 Gleaner fire in my life, and that was an electrical issue in the engine compartment. I see and hear about burned up JD's all the time.
Actually...another story now that I think about it...a buddy had a few very early L's once, and one had a bearing go out. Part of the bearing must have dropped off the combine and into the stubble, because the field caught fire. He said they were out there with five L's dropping their headers and backing over the flames to snuff it out. Edited by CrestonM - 11 Feb 2017 at 1:49pm |
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JasonB
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 4:12pm |
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There does seem to be more of abundance of Red or Green catching fire, but mostly the newer machines with all the plastic shielding, and the plastic fuel tanks. Then again, ANY COMBINE of any brand will burn. Rarely have I seen a Gleaner burn, although it's quite possible. Last Gleaner I saw that had burnt was an R40/ R50 years ago. Always very important to keep the machine free and clear of dust around the engine compartment etc. But fires can still happen, especially in crops like Sunflowers, or small grains. |
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plummerscarin
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 4:47pm |
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Sadly, there are a few burnt Gleaners at the combine salvage yard near Colfax Ia.
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CALEBnOK
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 7:15pm |
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I was cutting with the L2 in a bottom next a small lake and picked up a piece drift wood. Got to smoking pretty good and i kicked the seperator out and grabbed road gear and headed for the lake. Got to the edge of the water stopped and got out.
I luckily Extinguished the fire but had that not worked she was fixing to take a bath! |
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 7:20pm |
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When I was growing up in the 70's and early 80's (when Gleaner was king) it was Deere and Massey that had a reputation of burning up. My cousin did lose a gas F2 once to a fire but the culprit was a rubber fuel line that sprung a leak right onto the distributor or spark plug wires. Could have been salvaged but opted for a diesel F2 ASAP.
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Beirnesy
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 8:12pm |
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Here is link to Machinery Petes article on this Gleaner M3 along with more pics
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1969 220,1967 190DXT,1968 190DXT, LGT's 710,,716
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JasonB
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 8:37pm |
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That is definitely a legit combine, and definitely looks like she just rolled off the line at Independence Mo yesterday. Some nice pictures of the combine, and absolutely hardly any rust on her. Never sat outside. Wonder if it still has the plastic on the seat? |
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CrestonM
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 8:46pm |
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Those are the same photos he sent me just earlier today. Seems weird how almost all of the paint is gone off the gas tank.
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VAfarmboy
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Posted: 11 Feb 2017 at 8:52pm |
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The flat screen Deere 00 series combines were fine with diesel engines in them. We ran a 1973 flat screen diesel for 35 years with no overheating problems. One reason we kept running it so long was because the flat screen machines with gas engines had such a bad reputation for overheating and burning up that nobody wanted a flat screen machine even with a diesel in it. Dad was going to trade ours on a new combine back in the 80s but even the Deere dealer wouldn't give anything for it so he kept on running it. |
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JCFarms
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 7:14am |
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So! It DOES NOT belong to the ORIGINALS owner. The neighbor bought it and is the one who thinks it's worth $45000.
Bet he bought it for $5000.00. |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 7:23am |
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Really doesn't matter who owns it as it stands now its a certainty it was never used and the story is true, that's what's important.Also what he paid for it has no bearing on its Market value. If you found a $100 bill lying on the side of the road would you sell it for $20 because you got it for much less than its true market value? The real 'original' owner of the combine BTW was AC/Gleaner |
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 7:27am |
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Deere would have enough pride to by a Deere like it if they don't already have one on display at their plant. I've been to the Waterloo plant back in th elate 80's and they had several tractors on display that were unique in some way. If memory serves, I believe the last 4020 is there and maybe the last 6030. Does anyone know if AGCO has any type of display that features any unique Allis or Gleaner?
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JCFarms
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 7:37am |
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Yep. He can ask what ever he wants. Agco doesn't even list Gleaner on most of their advertising. Not even their website. |
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Dale-OH
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 9:10am |
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Agco has a Fordson Gleaner at the Hesston Plant last time i was there but not much room at that plant for displays. Jackson MN has some heritage displays im told in the new Visitor center but i have not seen it, Thought I heard it does have AC there. I have also been to the MF plant in France and Fendt Plant in Germany and both do showcase a few of there heritage.
But i would be very surprised if AGCO purchased this combine, I hope someone who appreciates it buys it and cares for it. JCFarms, I just looked at AGCO website and if you click the OUR Brands link at the top of the page Gleaner Is listed along with sunflower and white planters. |
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CrestonM
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 10:48am |
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I think I'll buy it and take it on harvest. Lol
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JasonB
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 10:58am |
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Hopefully it does not go to Mexico to be run into the ground, which seems like where most of the vintage equipment from the 70's, 80's and now 90's are heading now. Case in point, a few years ago a Near New JD 4455 with MFWD and only 30 hours on it sold for $155,000. That tractor probably should have been bought by Deere or donated to their tractor museum in Waterloo IA. Instead a farmer in Mexico bought it and was going to put 3,000 hours a year on the tractor and drive her into the ground.
That Gleaner M3 definitely belongs in a Museum. If Kevin Bien was still with us, perhaps he would have convinced AGCO to have bought the combine to display somewhere or rotate it across Ag museums in the United States. Edited by JasonB - 12 Feb 2017 at 11:02am |
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JCFarms
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 12:17pm |
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I just wonder why it is not on their home page. Wasn't Gleaner one of the very first brands they started with? |
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Jwmac7060
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 12:31pm |
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45,000 dollars for that combine is lunacy to anyone who would actually use it...Now if some collector wants to buy it to display I suppose if you've got the money it makes sense..I would be scared to death of using it...What kind of fuel is in it...Sitting in an open sided shed I wonder if the mice have been in it...Are the tires dry rotted....Neat find but no thanks at 45000 dollars...We had a brand new green stripe M-3 in 87 and I believe after we traded our M-2 on it...The balance was only 47000
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JasonB
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 12:34pm |
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AGCO Corp does not want to admit that "AGCO" stands for "Allis Gleaner Company" or they pretend that it never was called that in the first place. Gleaner is the last part of Heritage left that traces back to the Allis Chalmers days. The idiot in charge of AGCO doesn't seem to understand that or care. Why they are still called "AGCO" is beyond me, the Orange tractors are gone, and no connection at all to past. They should just change the World wide Corporate name to "Massey Ferguson Corporation", seeing as it's Hesston by Massey Ferguson now. AGCO is a messed up company and its no surprise that they are trying to burry the Gleaner name on the website or not promoting it more. |
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 1:48pm |
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He wants $45,000 for it and he says he begged the guy to sell it to him. So I am suspicious of this person saying it only has eight hours on it. I'm sure the guy bought it for very little and now is selling it for an outrageous price so to me he seems like shyster and a jerk. But if he is giving some of the money he is selling it for to the gentleman he bought it from then I would have a different opinion of him.
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35 combines and 15 forage harvesters. mostly allis combines and equipment.WTB 2 row cornhead for a 90
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CrestonM
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 2:12pm |
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x2 I couldn't understand why he begged for it for many years, and now is turning it around.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 2:26pm |
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yeh the fuel tank paint is sad for a machine with 8 hr and shedded all its life
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JasonB
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 3:01pm |
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I wonder if the fuel tank on this "8 hour Gleaner M3 combine" was switched out at one point with another Gleaner's fuel tank? Yeah I am also wondering why the guy begged for years for the man to sell the combine, only to him finally selling to him and then for him to turn around and sell it right away. Something does seem off about the combine. |
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Dale-OH
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 4:28pm |
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I can only assume that they keep the largest brands on the front. Gleaner is only sold in a hand full of countries around the world, MF, challenger, and fendt are sold around the world in over 125 countries
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 5:54pm |
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Our L3 has been shedded its whole life, and even though it's been used regularly, it still has more paint on the tank than that one!
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 6:05pm |
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8 hours on the hour meter. is that real? Is that a recent r5eplacement? Or has it gone past 9999, if so how many times?
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JasonB
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 6:25pm |
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It's quite possible the hour meter is correct, on the other hand it is also quite likely that the hour meter quite working as well, Have the same hour meter on my 1977 AC 720 Garden tractor that reads 220 hours, but no way is that correct, and the meter has never worked on my AC 720. Wish we could see more photo's of the cab interior and what the condition is like. By looking at the controls and wear and tear on items in the cab, you could quickly point out weather it really does have 8 hours on it. Would love to see the front beater that pulls the crop into the combine from the head. If all the paints there, it's likely legit. More photo's from inside the grain tank would also leave clues as to how many hours are on it. If it's not truly legit, it's still a darn nice M3 Gleaner and one of the nicest ones I have seen. |
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Posted: 12 Feb 2017 at 9:34pm |
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If anyone is out there looking for barn finds , I'd like a low houred 10 - 18 alwawy kept in the barn.
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