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Bronze Level Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Location: caledonia il Points: 34 |
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Posted: 26 May 2015 at 4:59pm |
what oil should i be running in my series 1 d 17 and my ca? thanks for info best filters also pls
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NICKMI
Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: Greenville Points: 534 |
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fram c159 for oil filters I use 15w 40 but I'm sure others will say to use straight 30 like book calls for in the motor what's the history on them some ppl are sill using non detergent 30 wt
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Gerald J.
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Modern oils are beneficial to engine life. Before detergents and other additives 35,000 miles was good engine life between rebuilds. With detergent oils suddenly engines ran at least 100,000 miles between rebuilds in cars.
Besides detergents modern oils contain anti corrosion additives so when there's moisture in the oil and copper/silver bearing inserts are next to steel crankshafts, the battery from moisture and the different metals is prevented from corroding the bearing inserts, giving a much longer life. The most modern oils can be short on additives for sliding cam followers so diesel rated oils should treat vintage engines better. Gerald J. |
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Big Orange
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 313 |
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If an engine has A full flow filter lube system, detergent oil is the best oil for that engine, but if an engine has A by-pass filter lube system, A good grade high additive non detergent oil should be used. Detergent oil is great for today's engines, but detergent in some older engines that don't filter the oil from the oil pump to the bearings is not so great, as detergent will pickup the dirt and take it right to the bearings, then to other parts like camshafts, lifters, pistons, rings, est. If used to do heavy work in dirty conditions there will be very early engine failures.
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orangeman69
Bronze Level Joined: 28 Jan 2013 Location: Eden,Wi. Points: 155 |
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we use cen pe co 15/40 diesel oil in all our allis, gas and diesel engines.but I don't use them in the winter.
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d17,d17nfpuller,d-17IVdiesel,d19gas,d19diesel nf,d21seriesII,180,190xtseries III,200,210,7020,7060,7080w/8.3cummins,8070fwa w/8.3cummins,8550 185 w/322 original hrs.
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8239 |
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The ole WD did everything from plowing to the allcrop in the fall on 60A here from new in 49 till 1980.From at least 62 on it had 10w30 detergent oil.It's been a loafer since 90 but is still alive and well.No failures,heavy lifting and all....
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Big Orange
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 313 |
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Years ago farmers had one tractor that did all the work on the farm. That tractor was run hour after hour, days on end, daylite to dark, plowing, disking, planting & harvesting. The wc, wd, & wd45s were some of best. They had no hour meters on them. Most of them ran 10 or so years, before needing rebuilding. Back then the only engine oil available was non detergent ML & MM straight wt oil. As time went on the new detergent oils came into the picture, so most farmers went to the socalled better oils, after the rebuild. Most needed rebuilding in about A year or so after. You draw your own conclusions about this.
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Dmpaul89
Orange Level Joined: 06 Mar 2013 Location: Edwardsville,IL Points: 1689 |
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Seems Legitimate |
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Ky.Allis
Orange Level Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 1002 |
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Make life a little easier on yourself. Shell Rotella-T 15/40 in everything. I use it in D-17,200,truck,car lawn mower,gator and skid steer. Never had an issue.
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TimNearFortWorth
Orange Level Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Points: 2014 |
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Ditto on the Rotella; everything from the 190XT, D19D, and all the D-Series gas engines. Even in the A-C garden tractors with B&S 16hp twins. Catch it when Wally World has a decent price and stock up.
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Big Orange
Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Points: 313 |
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KY.ALLIS I think you need to know your Rotella -T 15/40 oil, is not the same formulation as it was A few years ago. Reduction of the zinc content, was one change, zinc is A antiwear additive. Check for yourself.
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VFDfireman
Silver Level Joined: 11 Jan 2013 Location: South Dakota Points: 414 |
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Pretty much the truth on any current diesel oil. Still better additive pkg than other current gasser oils for older flat tappet motors. If your really that worried you could toss in some STP....personally ive seen enough UOAs that I'm not concerned....yet. Edited by VFDfireman - 27 May 2015 at 6:30pm |
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steve(ill)
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I have been using 10w 30 detergent, in a half dozen tractors for about 10 years. Works great. The 10w part is good for winter starts, and the 30 wt was original design and still a good weight running oil.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Big Orange
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STP is A oil thickener A viscosity improver, not A anti-wear additive. Racing oils have the higher amount of zinc needed for flat tappet engines. The old formula Rotella-t 15/40 did, but not now. The brakein period of A new flat tappet cam is the most creatical time.
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Big Orange
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The W in the oil id means winter not weight. So 10w/30 , means 10winter 30sae. 30w means 30 winter. Sae 30 is A different oil, for summer use.
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VFDfireman
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Plenty of zddp in STP. Plenty of voas on it as well. |
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427435
Orange Level Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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Winter (w) ratings only go to 25 (rarely if ever produced). There is no API 30w oil-------only 30 weight.
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Mark
B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
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Bronze Level Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Location: caledonia il Points: 34 |
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so should i look for a strait 30 racing oil?
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427435
Orange Level Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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What condition are the engines in? What oil has been used?
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Mark
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steve(ill)
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basically 10w 30 oil means the oil exhibits the viscosity of 10w oil when cold and 30 wt oil when hot. That makes it easy starting in the winter, and still has a 30 wt viscosity when at operating temp... 10w 30 detergent oil is a great oil for year round use.
--In single grade oils, the lower the number, the better it flows at cold temperatures. Likewise, the higher the number, the thicker the oil. In regard to multigrade oils, the first number in the code, such as 10W in SAE 10W-30, means that the oil can still be pumped by the engine at a temperature as low as a single grade 10W oil. A 5W, like in SAE 5W-30, can be pumped at an even lower temperature, and a 0W, like in SAE 0W-30, will pump at the lowest tested temperatures. The W in the designation is commonly thought to represent weight, but in fact stands for Winter. The second number, 30, indicates how well the oil will flow when heated to 100C/212F or higher.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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what a mess
Bronze Level Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Location: caledonia il Points: 34 |
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well they both start up good i jstu got both tractors so im not really sure my d 17 has original oil pressure gauge and it drops to 0 when im run it for about 5 mins so its got me nervous
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427435
Orange Level Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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Do they have oil filters??? |
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Mark
B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
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yes they both do
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steve(ill)
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your oil pressure drops due to excess internal clearance or too thin of oil. I would change the filter and put in new oil. Since you have low, I would suggest 15 w 40 oil and see if you gain back pressure.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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427435
Orange Level Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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OK, then, If they were mine, I would be using the same oil I'm using in a wide variety of engines------------------Mobil 1 5w-40 Turbo Diesel oil. It is also rated for spark engine use SL and SM. A dino 15w-40 oil, as Steve recommended above, would work too. However, with the synthetic Mobil 1, you wouldn't have to change oil as often. I find that job less and less enjoyable as I get older and older!! Edited by 427435 - 30 May 2015 at 10:46pm |
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Mark
B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
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what a mess
Bronze Level Joined: 17 Mar 2015 Location: caledonia il Points: 34 |
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so 5-40 over a stait 30 or 40 racing oil with all the old additives in it i do run 5 40 mobile 11 in my 6.0
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DEP5
Silver Level Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Location: Tipton, IN Points: 87 |
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This is what I use in my D10 Series III, the 1932 Chrysler, the 1950 Olds and the 1947 Packard. Edited by DEP5 - 02 Jun 2015 at 6:41am |
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D10 Series III, fully optioned
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427435
Orange Level Joined: 18 Nov 2010 Location: SE Minnesota Points: 18637 |
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You certainly could run the 5w-40 turbo diesel oil. I think Mobil has a non-diesel 5w-40 oil also. Edited by 427435 - 02 Jun 2015 at 11:30pm |
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Mark
B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11791 |
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I've been using 15w40 for years n' years in all my Tractors and small equipment. Even in some of my older cars that I've sold, (and those owners are still driving them) and never had any problems. I change the oil a couple times in the power equipment I use within the year, and every 3K in the cars. I use synthetic oil in JoAnna's CTS Caddy only because that's what it came with and I stuck with that. I change that around 5K or so. The shop 03' Astro Van I use 5w30 as GM suggested since it was brand new. Again every 3K the oil and filter are changed. Everything else gets that 15w40. Some of the Garden Tractors have filters also. The way I use it, I should buy it by the 55 gal. drum! LOL!
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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mp38b
Silver Level Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Location: WI Points: 54 |
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Big Orange- If they don't listen, there is not much you can do. Using a detergent oil in a dirty engine is going to clean it out! Where is that dirt going to go? Through all of the parts being oiled until the dirt is gone. Liquid sandpaper for everything moving. Not just the bearings, but the splash on all of the other moving parts and cylinder walls. You've warned him. |
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