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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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I don't know when it happened but I put 4 new tires on my tractor/car hauler about 3 years ago and just now noticed the left rear tire has severe ware on the inside edge almost exposing the belts. The space between tires left side to right side is a full half inch different. The other 3 tires look great with even ware. This trailer gets loaned out alot and has made several looong trips. Once all the way to Hutch and back. Had to put a new tire on and don't want to go many more miles without correcting the problem. Next trip is short haul to go AC pulling at Shreveport Friday and Saturday. It will just have to go like it is. Question is. Should I go buy a new axle or try to straighten out the old one or have it straightened? It's the axle with brakes and it's a Dexter 3500# Model SLR. The bend appears to be at the very end outside the spring perch. If I do it myself it will be by eyeball only. Not real sure I can even do it. I would rather take it somewhere and get it done right. If I just knew where I could get it done. It's after 5 and all the trailer shops are closed for the day. |
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Brian S(NY) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: CherryValley,NY Points: 3378 |
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buy a new axel
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God made man.Sam colt made man equal.
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M Diesel ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Location: Las Vegas Points: 128 |
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Another vote for new. That isn't a great place to straighten, and new ones don't cost all that much really.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Do you think I can buy the just the Axle by itself. The brake backing plates, shoes , drums and bearings are just fine. I priced them online complete at almost $300 not counting the shipping. Coaster axles are $180. The brake wireing is inside the axle tube on this one.
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Stan IL&TN ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Elvis Land Points: 6730 |
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I think you'll know what to say when someone asks to borrow it again. $300 deposit please. I hate it when someone borrows stuff and treats it poorly. My son in law's brother borrowed a chainsaw from me in March for a couple of hours.............I'm still waiting to get it back as he broke it and has another friend trying to fix it. Won't do that again. Sorry for my little rant. The axle is a bad deal.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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I do recall something going "bump in the night" when I was coming home in the dark. I was going about 65. That was well over a year ago. I have no clue what I ran over but everything looked OK at a glance when I checked things out the next morning.
If I had not, for some strange reason, looked close at the tires yesterday I would not have spotted the problem with the axle.
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Kcgrain ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Points: 776 |
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If you have a big truck & frame place near by they will have the ability to straighten it, my friend runs one here in WIsconsin and they do it all the time, and it will be perfect. If they cant do it they will just tell you with no charge....around here anyways.
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TimNearFortWorth ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Points: 2014 |
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Ken,
Second that on the big rig frame shop; when you come into Longview from Henderson, go east on I-20 just a couple of miles off eastman and you will see the shop I used for a trailer axle they did for me back in 2005. Do not recall the name of the place or even if still there as I never go past the Eastman road exit when I visit the house in Longview anymore (afraid my truck might try and take me to the casino in Shreveport!).
Tim
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Dick L ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087 |
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It would be a long haul if you couldn't find them in a place closer but this is probably what you need. Edited by Dick L - 27 Oct 2011 at 8:34pm |
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Dick L ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087 |
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bump
I had the wrong axle in first and changed it.
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Thanks Tim. I know where you are comming from. Now I need to figure out where you were going to. There is a Big Rig shop at I-20 exit 591 called Master Aligners. I bet that's the place I need to call on. FM 2011, FM2087 and I-20. Sound Familliar. Second Longview Exit eastbound going from Big D to the Boats. Eastman is Exit four. There is another shop east of that at the exit five , Loop 281, by the National Truck stop.
Dick. I haven't put a tape on mine yet but I think it's about 80 inches. Those Ebay cheap axles may be a bit to short. Like maybe for a pop up camper.
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Dick L ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087 |
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The guy in Hudson has all sizes. I was just showing you that you could buy without buying a complete assembly. He has all lengths and complete assembly also.
I have never bought from him but I doubt it is a low quality axle that he sells. He has been selling Axles on Ebay for years.
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B26240 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: mn Points: 3860 |
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Easy to say when someone elses money but you can get a complete new axle with springs for arownd $500, that would be new brakes and everything. I think thats what I would do.
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Dave H ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Central IL Points: 3558 |
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Taqke it to a traqiler shop, like one that does big rigs. They can look at and give you an estimate.
No muss no fuss no cost until you give the nod.
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Nathan (SD) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Day County SD Points: 1274 |
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Take a torch and cut the top 180 degrees of the axle between the U bolts. Pound a chisel into the slot until your spindle is straight up and down again. Pull the chisel out and weld the slot shut. Works for adjusting toe-in too. |
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5957 |
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A bend between the spring perch and the spindle isn't something I'd bend back and run on the road unless I had absolutely no choice. Reason- it usually requires cutting, or applying heat, and of course, stressing it again... and doing so means you've got a embrittled Heat Affected Zone in a high-stress spot.
Replacing the axle is always a better plan, and you can accomplish that many different ways. If you have fabricating skills, and the axle style is simple, you could get a set of spindles and some appropriate axle tubing, cut it yourself, push in the spindles, and weld them in. You'd need to have the beam bent to apply the proper 'camber' (noted in one of the previous posts above). If you can take good measurements and an effective weld, you'll be fine (the welding process for spindles makes the weldment hold the pieces together, but the weldment doesn't actually hold the load, and doesn't even HAZ the high-stress area). You CAN buy the proper beam to fit everything you've got. Last time I ordered a replacement, I think I got it through Champion Trailer Supply... and I just told 'em exactly what I needed, and they sent it out the next day... and replacement axle beams are relatively inexpensive... think it was around $130 for one beam for a tandem-axle boat trailer, with backing plates for hydraulic surge brakes. By the way- don't pitch that old axle. Take it off, and grind off the weld holding that spindle in place. Pull the spindle out of the tube, cut the tube back, make it narrower, and then make it into a utility trailer for around the farm. I used old bent axles to make my wife's ultra-heavy-duty garden cart, and another to make a rolling workbench with an engine-driven welder and air compressor underneath, grinder and vise on one end... it's a heavy pig, but I can move it around to anyplace with a 3-point. I've got a mobile-home axle underneath a big lathe, and others I've used to make engine cranes more useful on soft ground. And I don't get too bent-outa-shape when someone borrows a trailer. Trailers are always subject to things that go bump-in-the-night, they become invisible in dark and rain, bounce over curbs, and invariably end up being overloaded, (like Nathan says) hitched at the wrong height, pieces of road debris tangled up in the suspension... but all in all, trailers are, considering what they do, very inexpensive, and one of the best tools to have around when one has the space to keep it handy. Many folks don't have the ability to have trailer(s) around, so having friends willing to loan 'em out is a godsend. I'm careful about who I loan my trailers out to, but expect damage. My friends usually replace damaged tires, safety chains, etc, but sometimes things go unnoticed 'till later. I don't sweat it, because things that happen to others, happen to me too. IMO, any piece of equipment or machinery tool that isn't being used, has no actual value. |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6366 |
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I have a single axle boat trailer in the same shape. I replaced the axle but am still tearing up tires. I measured it and neither side matches to the apex. I can't see anything that is tweaked. I called around and I can't find anyone that will look at it.
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Charlie
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Thad in AR. ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9595 |
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Wheeler metal carries all kinds of axles. I think they have a location in TX. Now I've found 15" trailer rated tires to wear out very fast. Does anyone else have this problem? Could be the brand I bought but my former boss had the same problem with utility trailers and most never carried much more than extension ladders and such. I can put on used truck tires and get 3 times the miles as new trailer tires.
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Dick L ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087 |
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I bought the same tires for my big trailer as I bought for my ton truck that I pulled it with. The original tires wore well though. The trailer has well over 100,000 miles on it and on the second set of tires.
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5957 |
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Charlie- when you say it's tearing up tires... explain exactly what you're seeing on the tires... the answer may not be obvious, but it's never complicated...
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TexasAllis ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Texas Points: 396 |
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Ken there is a machine shop, Riggs Machine here in Stephenville that can fix that axle. They can straighten, rebuild or replace if you can't find anything close and are willing to make the drive. They are not cheap but they do quality work.
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john(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: SE MI Points: 9262 |
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Did you jack it up and make sure the bearings didn't fall apart? Could be other things than the axle!
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6366 |
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The inside tread of the tire is completely worn down, while the middle/outer contact has complete tread. I replaced the tires and within 100 miles they wore down. The trailer tracks straight but I replaced the axle and leaf spring bushings. New set of tires and one side (Right side) had wear patches after a 90 mile trip. The axle mounts into a nub in the leaf springs so there is no adjustment there to do. About 3 years ago on a trip to the Outer Banks on 295 around Richmond I caught a good size pot hole. It was on that trip home that I noticed that the tires wore down quickly. I checked around at trailer places and no one had any solutions for me other than replace the axle. The trailer is a EZ-loader 3,000 lb and the boat is 1820 lbs but on that trip we did have beach stuff in it that probably brought the load up to 2500. Maybe hitting the hole tweaked the frame??
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Brian Jasper co. Ia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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Straightening a bent axle in this case in my opinion is one of those "Just because you can doesn't mean you should" situations. They talked about TIG welding on Extreme 4X4 and how in some instances when you weld something, the material can get brittle and crack next to the weld. My thoughts are is it worth the risk to save $100 over repair vs replace? With the inside edge of the tire worn, you have a toe (toe out) problem with that wheel. Might even have a camber problem too. No question on how I'd fix it if it were mine... |
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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DaveKamp ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5957 |
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Hmmm... I've got a single-axle EZ-Loader under my 18' Sea-Ray.
Judging by the description, my gut feeling is that the pothole bent the spindle up a smidgen, and BACK a bit more... or you MAY have a bent front spring mount. I don't remember wether it runs a rear shackle, or a slipper-spring, but I certainly would crawl under and look for a crack in one of the leaves. Try this... put the thin edge of a yardstick against the outside face of the tire, and take a measurement from about a foot ahead of the tire, to the frame rail on front, and repeat towards the back (fender and taillight will be in the way, so it'll be a challenge). Repeat for other side. Do they come out to be symmetrical? If not, you've found your problem. And I'm sure you've already done it, but it's always a good practice to jack up the wheel, and check-see if you have a bearing problem. Spin the wheel too, and see if the WHEEL is bent. Typically, an axle will bend between the spring perch or bump-stop, and the spindle, as a result of the trailer rolling over something that requires more suspension travel than you have available. On a boat, well, they get pretty heavy pretty fast (especially if you're returning from weekending with kids...). A good chuckhole will grab that tire and slam the axle against the frame with enough authority to bend it upward and to the rear a few degrees. This will cause the TIRE on the bent side to exhibit inside-edge wear, even though the trailer still seems to roll fine. |
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6366 |
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I was wrong, the outside is the heavy wear edge, although the inner edge is also wearing. I replaced the axle and spindles after the pothole, but kept the wheel, so that leaves the wheel or the frame/Leaf as the issue. ![]() |
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Charlie
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6366 |
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The other side tire is fine. The photo is after about 100 miles on a new tire
Edited by Charlie175 - 31 Oct 2011 at 12:25pm |
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Charlie
'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Ken in Texas ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Well Folks, I got it straightened out just fine by Micheal at Hanks frame and Alignment on Hwy 80 Longview TX. They did it while I waited. No muss, no fuss, no bother. Did it on the trailer for $57 and 2 one Gallon Ziplock Freezer bags of Fresh Green Shelled Pinkeye Purple Hull Peas and a couple pounds of yellow crookneck squash. Well worth the money and the produce in my book. I actually thru in the Yellow Squash for free.
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