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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24655 |
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Every model I'm considering has an air filter. I don't want fine snow getting into my combustion chamber. wow, The one I'm working on Tecumseh 'Snowking' 10.5hp and it ain't got no air filter. It does however have a LOT of grooves in the aluminum disc used to transfer power to the wheels. I always figured the 'bean counters' saved a quarter by not 'needing the air filter. A few snowflakes is good for an engine....aka 'water injection', heck even I remember the ads in Mech Illustrated for those bottles of water to ad to your car for better running.... Jay |
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Gerald J. ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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I don't think modern engine longevity is only because of full flow filters, I think its primarily because of detergent oils. I remember reading Texaco's Lubrication Magazine in the 50s (my dad was a subscriber though not involved in commercial auto mechanical work). One article showed the effect of detergent oil based on tests in NYC taxi cab. The classic non detergent oil allowed the engine crankcases to fill with sludge and if it plugged oil passages to bearings it led to bearing destruction. The time period for the engine full of sludge was something like 50,000 miles. I know engines my dad had before he bought his first new car, a '54 Ford I block 6, tended to need an overhaul every 30,000 t 35,000 miles. I helped with some of them. The '49 Jeep wagon flat head long stroke engine affected wear too. The I block 6 was an over square engine, bore and stroke about the same. He and I drove it (once I got old enough and started commuting to college) for about 67,000 without signs of needing repair, so he decided it should be pulled and inspected. I did that one summer. It wasn't using oil. I dropped the oil pan and plastigaged the rods and mains. They all checked within the tolerance for new bearings. I replaced on rod bearing insert because Ford had broken the oil hole drill and drilled the hole much larger, so large the deburring tool didn't touch the edges and a burr had cut a groove in the center of the insert. Then I put it back together and into the car and drove it to 110,000 miles without doing any wrenching on the engine other than setting the overhead valves occasionally.
So I believe detergent oil and less wear prone engine design are what makes engines last longer, not full flow oil filtration vs bypass oil filtration. Gerald J. |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87621 |
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Even the cheapest, generic 10 w 30 motor oil sold today is 20 x better than the standard 30 wt sold in 1940. ....... Im with Gerald.
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Plus, you have to picture that farmer in 1940 running the tractor. When its a quart low he goes to the barn and digs an open container out of the corner, dust and cobwebs all over, and tops off the motor.... when low on coolant and in the field, he dips creek water with a cup and adds to the radiator............ how many have pulled liners out of a block and found river mud in the bottom 2 inches around the liners ? Edited by steve(ill) - 15 Sep 2016 at 8:53pm |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87621 |
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And if it rained and 2-3 oz of water got down the pipe and into the motor, or around the dip stick.... how many think that oil was changed and flushed out ?
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Tcmtech ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2015 Location: Minot ND Points: 310 |
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The lack of an air filter isn't a manufacturing cost thing. It's a basic filter clogging and engine longevity issue. An air filter will easily choke off with snow causing the engine to run rich which as is well understood reduces the service life of an engine where as some snow getting inhaled is harmless. Even enough to cause a momentary stall out where as running rich enough to choke and engine out does little harm compared to what running in a excessively rich A/F ratio condition can do in minute. Also where and when a typical snow blower is used there is usually very little harmful dirt or dust in the air( or at least there shouldn't be) for it to inhale compared to what would be found in typical summer time yard work such a similar engine would see on a garden tiller. That and I tried putting an air filter on my snow blower once which when working blowing power snow all it did was cause constant clogging and choking out issues.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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You guys do realize that with detergent oil instead of the combustion byproducts creating sludge accumulations in the engine, it remains in SUSPENSION in the oil. The idea being the filter catches these impurities and those that are too small for the filter to catch drain out at change time...
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