B Oil Filter Experiment

zzeesssh   If it ain't broke what's to fix?

WF owner wrote: I've been following this thread since the start and have remained silent, until now. My opinion on this thread is that you guys (maybe one in particular) have changed (hijacked) what was a very informative thread about how different oil filters affect oil pressure on the B engine, to improving oil pressure on this particular engine, then to changing the complete oiling system and finally to opinions on engineers (I worked with engineers my entire career and fixed their mistakes that anyone with an ounce of common sense shouldn't have made...) If you guys want a new topic, please start a new thread!!! I, personally, was finding the original thread informative, but I am sick of the BS!!!

DougS wrote: You assume everything is equal, Gary. Oil viscosity, pump pressure and filter density are three things that can affect pressure. Pressure may or may not indicate increased oil flow to any particular component. There is no pressure bypass on this filter system so any oil that doesn't pass through the filter is sent to engine components. Oil that passes through the filter in this bypass system is returned directly to the oil sump.

Think someone said that the B system filters 15% of the oil flow,would you want to run a
air filter or any other filter that let 85% of the air or oil go unfiltered?

Just what the heck are you trying to filter out of your engine oil anyway? Rocks, sticks, bugs , corn pollen , or metal shavings?
I have parted out Bs Cs and CAs with good oil pressure that still had antique flat top oil filters on them.
Who ever heard of HIGH DETERGENT 15 40 back in the days of flat top filters.

B oiling system was fine disputes what AC did later create a full flow oiling system that filtered all the oil if the B system had been fine they'd of never went to the full flow system.

steve(ill) wrote: - --so you are basically a technician, not a BSME ?

Edited by Tcmtech - 14 Sep 2016 at 6:23pm

I got nothing against you TCM, but you jumped in here telling everyone how smart you are and its hard for you to discuss topics with us poor dump common folk. You just naturally have a better understanding about EVERYTHING than anyone else in the world.. You told us you were an Engineer and that made you special.. Now you say you are a technician... I really don't care, but that's a BIG DIFFERENCE...

dpower wrote: that's fine and dandy but remember Steve(ill) makes double what you make...... LOL

Okay. Whatever you say.  

Lonn wrote: Gary Burnett wrote: Why not fuel injection in a B? And engines in cars then went about 50,000 if the owner was real lucky.So why not bring an engine up to date if it can be done cost effectively? Nothing is written in stone that mechanical things can't be improved as new technology is invented.I like the Idea of a fuel injected B with a full flow oil filter would be pretty cool and if there wasn't anything in oil to be filtered out no engines would have oil filters and no need to change oil either.I'd say the full flow oil filter would be more cost effective and probably do more good than the fuel injection, though of course a good D15 engine has the basic improved oiling system the B needed,never heard anyone complain that AC just went too far upgrading that basic engine to the D15 engine. Let us know the cost of switching a B over to fuel injection and I'm pretty sure I can get you a fairly accurate list on how many conversion kits you would sell. I'll base my estimate on common sense.

I didn't say anything about selling them where'd you get that?If I was looking for cost effective I wouldn't be messing with one to start with and I've seen a whole lot more $$$ thrown into some antique tractors for people's own use than fuel injection would cost.
You make a good point tractors and everything else are built as cheaply as possible to
be able to be competitive in the market place which is fine but it also leaves a wide range of things open to improve performance as can be witinessed at just about any antique
'stock' tractor pull.

Well, that was a fun read.

There is nothing wrong with either engineers, or "techs". Both have necessary functions. For every tech (or farmer) that bitches and bashes on engineers because they're so stupid they put a bearing retainer in a spot hard to reach after final assembly.....there's an engineer who could walk up to a tech with a clean pad of paper and pencil (or new laptop with no information on it!) and say here, design a novel thing, get it through accounting, have it be fully functional and repairable, be marketable,.....etc., I think you guys see the point. I've been on both sides of that pad of paper. Bitched while under a machine in the mud trying to fix a retarded design an engineer made, and I've turned right around and designed something equally "idiotic". It is extremely difficult to think of everything. I think the only way around that is to have one guy do it all, 1 guy builds everything he designed. That would work, but not be very productive!

Lonn wrote: Let us know the cost of switching a B over to fuel injection and I'm pretty sure I can get you a fairly accurate list on how many conversion kits you would sell. I'll base my estimate on common sense.

Edited by Tcmtech - 15 Sep 2016 at 11:39am

jaybmiller wrote: as far as filtering oil, most small engines(lawn mowers, tillers,snowblowers) have never ever had filters,get abused on a daily basis and STILL run after decades of running.... heck snowblowers don't even have air filters !! Jay

I bought a green (actually silver-colored) lawn mower back in 1989 and it was still going strong when I left it in Oregon last winter. This mover had a Kawasaki engine and an optional oil filter kit. It used an automotive full flow filter which I changed every two years. When I would change the oil it never had a dark dirty look. There was always a glint of the original oil color in the used oil.

I paid $35 for the filter kit and I think I got my moneys worth. To spend several hundred dollars on a retrofit for a very used engine would be not so much worth it.

BTW, I'm shopping for a snow blower right now. Every model I'm considering has an air filter. I don't want fine snow getting into my combustion chamber.