Allis WD NFE (Was Dads)

Fantastic work, Chris.

Guys thanks!
We have been leveling body panels this weekend, and the final orange has been applied to all items except for the egg tail light. ( I have to get one from another tractor).

Rolled this tractor out of the garage and I attempted to start this WD Friday night.
Had coolant leak at water pump hose. Finally double clamped it and it slowed it down.
Gas leaks at both ends of the new fuel line. Tightened those.
Gas leak at the sediment bowl. Finally took out the screen and trimmed it down so the glass bowl fit against the rubber seal. Then we had a leak free system at that end. Carb tried to flood as normal. So shutting the gas off has become standard practice. Just like in the old days!:)
Minor oil leak at front of pan area. Tightened the pan bolts gently.
Adjusted the fan belt.
So hit the starter and she spun over fast! In fact the starter was slamming so hard I afraid it was going to damage something! Tightened the started set screw.
No action. Started to immediately second guess what I could have done wrong in the assembly! Check, double check. Everything looks good. Had gas running out drain in carb. cleaned plugs.
Seemed to be electrical. Had the cap off and rolled it over and no spark across the points. Called Gary G. and he suggested cleaning the points. I sanded them with some 400 grit and cleaned them. Checked again had a nice spark. Replaced the cover, rotor, cap and hit the starter. She fire up on the first quarter turn!
Oil pressure is good. Water temp comes up to normal.
Sat**day I took the WD for its first spin around the yard. First impressions were very good. Nice tight steering. Very responsive throttle. Idles down nice. Very little rear end whine compared to my other WD (wide front end).
Adjusted the foot clutch to allow the drive line to stop turning.
I have some pictures and will get them loaded soon.
 Regards,
 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 26 Sep 2020 at 5:41am

Folks,
Good evening.

Made a mistake on the hood that may require repainting. I added the stiffener underneath and it was hitting the tank. When I cut it off, the paint got hot and left 3 dime size marks in front of the gas tank, in the center of the hood.

Fenders in primer/sealer


Hood ( this is the one that was smashed up pretty bad).




Some pictures, sans fenders and hood.






WD narrow front end and its stable mate re-joined.






Will get some more hardener for the top coat and repaint the hood.
Also cleaning up some milk cans, with implement seats, and going to paint them PO#1 for the July Sagertown PA show.
Purchased a seat cushion from Sandy Lake and I like it better than the one on the other tractor.  Some more pictures tomorrow.
Regards,
 Chris




Edited by Sugarmaker - 08 Jun 2015 at 8:51pm

I remember seeing one of those milk can seats painted up Allis Chalmers orange somewhere.
Those tractors look great Chris.


Jim

Edited by hd1937 - 09 Jun 2015 at 6:15pm

Looks Awesome! Very, Very nice work.   

Chris,
A beautiful job!  I love seeing an old tractor refurbished properly.
Steve

Holy cow, those are 2 fantastic looking WD's.  I think, better than new!

Great job Chris! BEAUTIFUL pair you have there!
What's next on your refurb list???????
Ray W.

Great job, Chris! 

Folks,
 Currently have the WD starter blues. Starter spins inward, clashes with ring gear and starts, or more often than not it doesnt start and just spins the bendix gear. Installed another starter and it immediately broke the bendix spring and lodged a piece of the bendix in the windings, wedging that starter in locked and shorted position. So I will be looking into a new bexdix or different starter for this narrow front end WD. Pretty much normal stuff for tractors of this age. I did look at the ring gear and it has some wear but should still work. Will tear the other starter apart in the morning to evaluate if I have enough parts to make one starter? Probably new brushes should be installed also. Might take this to local shop or have B&B quote me a rebuild and set it up for 12 volt too.
This starter has been slamming since day one on 12 volt so I new this was going to be a issue.
Regards,
 Chris


Edited by Sugarmaker - 05 Aug 2015 at 9:43pm

Sounds like my starter on the my C that I just put a post up about!

Sugarmaker wrote: Folks,  Currently have the WD starter blues. Starter spins inward, clashes with ring gear and starts, or more often than not it doesnt start and just spins the bendix gear. Installed another starter and it immediately broke the bendix spring and lodged a piece of the bendix in the windings, wedging that starter in locked and shorted position. So I will be looking into a new bexdix or different starter for this narrow front end WD. Pretty much normal stuff for tractors of this age. I did look at the ring gear and it has some wear but should still work. Will tear the other starter apart in the morning to evaluate if I have enough parts to make one starter? Probably new brushes should be installed also. Might take this to local shop or have B&B quote me a rebuild and set it up for 12 volt too. This starter has been slamming since day one on 12 volt so I new this was going to be a issue. Regards,  Chris

Chris,
I moved the gear placement on one of mine. I Tig welded the old set screw hole in on the armature shaft. Then drilled a new one about 3/16" to an 1/8" closer to the end of the armature shaft. Be careful not to warp the shaft. And don't go to far so that the gear has a harder time disengaging the ring gear.
Ray W.

chris, i hate to say it but it sounds like it's time for a ring gear.those engines aren't that bad to pull.just a big pain and all with just getting it back together and looking so nice.sure is one purdy tractor buy the way,one heck of a job.i can only hope to get mine looking half as nice some day.    DAVE

Dave, CTucker,
Thanks for the hints. I am cheap and lazy and try about everything before doing work:) I could crank it if I had too.
Here is what I did and it seems to be working so far. (Yes a new ring gear may be in the future. I have swapped one WD engine From a WD parts tractor, so I do know the moves to make.)

Couple days ago I used a dremel tool and grinding wheel to remove burrs from the ring gear teeth in the warn area.
So I took the starter apart again. There were 1/8 inch thickness of washers at the front end of the bendix. I took those out and placed them at the rear of the starter. This allowed the bendix to move forward farther. Second I took a piece of .040 brass shim stock 1/2 inch wide and wrapped the nose cone (just behind the machined surface) with part of the shim covering the front of the tapered hole. Gently tapped the brass into the front of the tapered hole and then ground a little clearance at the back of the tapered hole. This forces the starter assembly towards the ring gear. Gaining another .040 into the ring gear!

Note to self: be more careful! While pulling the brush holders outward I slipped off with the pick/hook I was using and stabbed my arm with the pick end about 2 inches deep. Ouch. That was shortly after jamming a screwdriver into my little finger. Ever have one of those days?

Anyway the WD starts way better now! In fact it has not had a issue in half dozen starts and sounds way better while starter is engaged. (No crashing sound!)

Thanks guys for the WD starter support!
Yea it still will need a ring gear someday.
Regards,
 Chris




Edited by Sugarmaker - 11 Aug 2015 at 9:09pm

Great job!!! I just have one question, why the white wheels? Sorry if you answered that before, I didn't read whole post.