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    Posted: 30 Jan 2014 at 2:05pm
Do any of you guys know  for a early 1955 HD21/HD16 starter with 12 teeth on the Bendix for the Buda engine ideally a foot operated starter would be great but any leads would help.Engine is a HDS 844 Prior to serial no 90001.
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Mark


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Looks like one could use a 50MT or 40 MT starter motor and just replace the drive to 12 tooth .
It would be a new style starter with solenoid rather than foot switch 

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Edited by Coke-in-MN - 30 Jan 2014 at 2:19pm
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Thanks Coke i have just got some more info on it,it was made in 1955 fitted with a HDS 844 motor.
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i have a parts HD16 with lanova engine should be same as HD21 engine but no supercharger.  you looking for complete starter or just bendix gear?  ill have to check the machine, dont recall for sure what i have.

Edited by CAL(KS) - 30 Jan 2014 at 7:52pm
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Cal it is not for me a collector over here is looking for the correct 1 to put back on his 1955 hd21 with the 844 hds motor in it (foot operated)
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After rebuilding my HD5 starter several times - the last time I went to the 40MT starter as field coils in original unit went bad and finding those came out to about same price as fully rebuilt late style. 
 Having a solenoid to advance the drive unit into flywheel rather than foot lever has worked great for me.  
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Dave, I can get a new starter. Have Arthur call me later.

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Norm i will ring Arthur tonight.
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