Allis F40 fork lift

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He is asking $500. Distance is not a issue I could drive it home. It looks like it needs lots of love. Are they money pits? I know absolutely nothing about them. Tell me the good the bad and the ugly? He said I could try to get it running. But where do I start? He said it had spark? It did roll over. 

Regards,

 Chris

Have owned older F40-24 for  many years, although they are the older models that have a manual clutch.  If you were confident that is ran and drove correctly when parked I think it would be a good deal.  I paid $1100 plus $130 to get it loaded on the trailer for the last one I bought.  The forklift was on a dock so had to hire a roll back to get it off the dock.  The G153 engine is a good engine.

Paul

Finally found this thread again and will begin to look at issues with this unit, which is now in my shop.

The propane tank reads empty when on the machine, but 50% when off and vertical. I learned that the tank has to be orientated properly on the forklift to get the dip tube in the right position. 

Also added a inline spark checker and I did have spark when it was rolling over.

Sure looks like it is need of a tune up. I need to see if i can find the cap, points, rotor, condenser and a new set of wires. It might run without a tune up but they look really crusty.

After a battery charge the engine cranks over. Do I need to do something special to the controls? I know nothing about these! Little steps! Since I have some spark and I think it has compression My best guess is fuel issue.

Regards,

 Chris

Agreed the scrap value maybe a couple hundred dollars. Hoping I can get it to run. Just calling around to try and get info. Pretty sketchy at best. Several contacts from Brenda at Sandy Lake. 

Pulled a plug and they are Champions. Not my favorite!

I see a fitting at the back of the carb/ mixer that is not hooked up to any thing and looks like a steel line like a vaccume line should be attached there?? It doesn't seem to be plugged off. So I assume it is open into the carb/ mixer. I did not see a place that a line might connect yet. Still learning!

Regards,

 Chris

 My Dad went through thousands of Champion J8 plugs in WD series tractors! This one from the forklift looked good and the one I pulled had good spark. It is back in there but still no start. Seems to be a fuel issue? More work to do in that area. I believe this maybe a 1972 vintage machine. And I think after talking with a service tech that it may have been a dual fuel system?? I removed the open fitting at the back of the carb and put in a small brass pipe plug to close that off. Attached the air cleaner hose with a clamp and still no start. 

Cracked the propane line going into the solenoid valve and had pressure there. 

Still not comfortable with the whole propane thing yet. More to learn I guess.

Regards,

 Chris

 Thanks for the support. My understanding is parts for these could be hard to get? At this time I am a little gun shy on things like gaskets or diaphragms? 

Regards,

 Chris 

 Thanks, More research and some work and learning along the way too.

Couple of things. I have really never learned much about LPG. So today I took my tank off the F40 and went to a local guy that fills tanks. He hefted the tank and said yep there is still fuel in there. I told him I was not getting anything but compressed gas from the tank. Humm? He screwed on a fitting and opened the valve. Liquid propane should have come out. (white cold frosty), nothing! Looks like bad valve on the tank! He let me borrow his spare tank. I tried it and had propane to the solenoid. Wasnt sure if the solenoid was working so disconnected that and rewired to try. Yes it worked, opened with the key on, and allowed liquid propane to pass through. I then took the diaphragm assembly off the forklift and proceed to take the covers off and carefully remove the gaskets and diaphragms. I found nothing broken or damaged. But one small diaphragm off to the side looks like it should have 3 wires to it and there is nothing. Looks like a very small plunger ore electromagnet moves the small diaphragm???

Done for the night!

If any one has suggestions to move this over to gasoline please advise. I may get it on propane but may take a while!

Regards,

 Chris

Thanks for the support! I think I have all the internal components free and moving and one of the arms that allows LPG to enter was pretty gummed up. I cleaned and removed any sticky materials  blew out all the passages and reassembled.

What I have not figured out is the actual how the regulator works and what is is missing if anything to make the regulator system function as it is supposed to. 

I am wondering since I am this close to the carb/ mixer if I should remove and clean it too? 

Still interested in the dual fuel change over process if anyone can share info? 

I did get a call from Dan at Sycamore Industries and they do not have any literature on these. I need to try JJ Clark. Not sure if this is the same as Clark fork lifts??

Going to learn some more about this machine!

 Weather is beautiful here today!

Regards,

 Chris

 Thanks! I am kind of excited about getting this running. Like a lot of things this looks to have been neglected and or maybe rigged up a little. I know nothing about the brakes but found the master cyl. Will have to look at that if I get it started. Off to the propane expert to have him look at my regulator/s

The red stepped plastic looks like it maybe had wires screwed into it?? I have no clue yet. Except that is a electro-mechanical device with now wires going to it? Not sure how important that is? But they dont usually add stuff just for fun!

Regards,

 Chris