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Dedwards 
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 5:25pm |
I bought a Allis Chalmers and was told it was a 1959 but don't know for sure. The SN is 1224 can anyone tell me the year/model/hp?
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 5:41pm |
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It could be a D10 or D12 if that's the right year and serial #. If you have a picture that would be a big help.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 5:44pm |
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That is not all of the serial number. There should be something before those numbers like D12-1224 or something. The serial number should be stamped on the torque tube flange on the left side of the tractor I think. Take another look and while you're at it take a picture and post it here or email to me and I'll post it. Charlie(1954wd45@gmail.com)
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 21 Jun 2010 at 5:46pm
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Dedwards
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 6:03pm |
well after further review I was wrong about the SN it is 122151 so does that 12 in the front mean its a D12? here is a pic uploads/3122/101_2104_-_Copy.JPG
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 6:06pm |
Check out this site http://people.clemson.edu/~wsmth/SNLocat/ACSN.htm to see where the serial number is on different models of Allis tractors.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 6:36pm |
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Your picture shows a Model B. Look right in front of the shifter and it will say Tractor No. B####.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 6:40pm |
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If your 122151 is correct, it would be a 1952 Model B but it looks older than that.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 6:49pm |
That is where I got the SN it says tractor number then right above it is the number 122151. But there isn't a B in front of the number. How could I find out the exact year? Man I have alot to figure out about this tractor.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 7:05pm |
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B122151 is a 1952. That doesn't mean the tranny was not swapped with a newer one or other parts were not changed in the last 60 years, a lot can happen in that amount of time. There may be casting #'s on the rearend or other places that give a date.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 7:08pm |
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The engine housing has CE 191642 PA does that tell anything?
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 7:27pm |
http://people.clemson.edu/~wsmth/SNFind/esn_tsn3.htmAccording to Bryon Smiths numbers that engine came from a 55 CA, I don't understand though, if you look under the B's, the CE engine doesn't go that high all the way to 57 at the end of production. So anyway you have a 1952 B with a later engine replacement according to what I can figure out. Looks like you need a toolbox and battery box to finish out the tin work. What is that hanging under it?  Here is a B with the tool box and battery box in place.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 7:35pm |
it has a lift installed on it that runs from the front to the rear. it has 2 hydrolic lifts on the rear that run off the pto see attached pic uploads/3122/101_2108.JPG
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 9:31pm |
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Confusion on the year set in for me with the rear wheel centers and the arched front axle, to me that says pre 1940.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 10:09pm |
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The rear wheels and Arched front axle have nothing to do with Pre-1940. Allis used those wheels and axles all the way up till the 50's on some tractors. I have one that has been in the family for a long time and it has both and is a 1950 model. I have another 1952 B with the same 2 as well.
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Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 10:19pm |
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the torque tube has holes on each side to mount implements, that means its probably built after 1950. It has a mag and the very late units (55-58 MIGHT) have had distributors. The wheels are standard B production as mort said... Since the trans serial number lines up with a 1952 model B, i would guess that is probably right .
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 9:01pm |
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I appreciate all the help figuring out what year my tractor is. I look forward to working on it and getting it restored.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 9:34pm |
Yes, definetely a CA style torque tube. It's a later engine, note the embosing for the fuel pump. Strange cultivator set up. They are mounted far to the rear of the tractor, and some lift parts are missing. Looks like a nice tractor. Does it run?
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Posted: 22 Jun 2010 at 10:23pm |
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Did they continue to use threaded-on axle centers that late? My '48 B has either 5 or 6 lug nuts, my '39 has a single nut in the center of the hub...
Other things of note- it has the electrical box, an electric starter, and a magneto. My '48 has this combination. This one also has footbrakes, may have been added post-facto. Hood doesn't appear to be drilled for headlights, but the steering wheel says 1972...
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 2:05pm |
What the best way to find out if it has 12V system? The volt regulator says 12V is that telling me its a 12V system?
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 4:21pm |
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A 12 volt battery will have six caps, a 6volt battery will have 3 caps.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 5:42pm |
The person I bought it from wasn't using a battery he was jumping the starter. Wish it was that simple!!
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 8:48pm |
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I don't know how you can jump a starter without a battery. Well the starter don't care if you use 12v or 6 volt, just don't grind on it for long periods of time causing heat to build up and let the smoke out. Since it has a Mag, the only thing that matters is polarity and output of the gen. I would say if it has a 12v regulator on it it has been changed to 12 volt at some time, so the only question left is polarity. Most people changing an electrical system like this will make it neg ground. I guess if I had it and didn't know how it was set up, I would put a 12v battery in it with the ground being neg and either unhook the gen from the system temporarily or polarize the generator before starting it.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 9:06pm |
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Looks like an old B one row cultivator frame that someone adapted to use for something else on the rear, but I can't tell what it is from the picture.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 9:30pm |
Yea I'm going to get the multi meter out and try to get it wired to start with the ignition. Runs good once it gets started though.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 9:53pm |
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If anybody asks just tell them it's an old tractor.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2010 at 9:58pm |
If the battery cables are on it you'll see that one battery clamp is larger than the other match them with the battery posts and that is most likely the way it was.
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