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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Folks,
So I was pulling tractors Saturday at our local fair. Fellow parked next to me ask when I was going to get a small tractor? He was setting on his old CA. He said his was for sale and I should make him a offer. I have seen the tractor many times pulling. It does a pretty good job. We discussed it and came to an agreement. I will go to review and maybe bring it home this week some time. The owner is getting out of pulling. Guess I am getting into it? Some details: - Well it is a CA with a C narrow front end. - right brake is not functioning - hand clutch has been removed - sterring is very loose and probably worn out - Pretty good set of matched firestones on rear - front tires are ok - no charging system in place - Moves and functions in all gears - Has some oil leaks at front of engine - Has custom exhaust pipe for sure! - Rear rims are farmall lug type not AC. not rusted out. - Rear rims are in good shape. - He is pulling it in the 2500 lb class - Has hydraulic pump removed - it has a pulling hitch on the drawbar, - Owner got third in the class that day. So here is the plan if it comes home: - Maybe adjust the exhaust pipe to something more conventional. - Pull it in some light classes - Have some fun - let the grandson and great grandsons try it out. - get a charging system functioning, probably 12 volt with a Denso alternator. Will try to keep you upto date on this new addition. Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 79894 |
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custom exhaust...
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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thendrix ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Feb 2013 Location: Fairmount GA Points: 4810 |
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Custom exhaust???? Kinda looks like a bad case of whiskey d!ck
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"Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan
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wjohn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1892 |
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Does he have the pump and original wheels hanging around still? Not a terrible looking tractor, but definitely has a few modifications.
Is that a part of a wheel weight on the rear wheel?
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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4617 |
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That's the front of a C tractor there
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Folks,
I am new to the CA versions for sure. Paul, is the engine the same in a C and a CA. Owner said it was just the front end being changed from a wide front CA to the narrow front C? Also looks like steering arm and pitman have seen way better days! But i guess I have seen worse. Yes the custom exhaust has a bad case of the droops:)! Very functional just not very apealing to me. Wheels I believe he said were shot and replaced with the IH lug style. I dont have much of a problem with those. Might work just dandy, and the rim portion has been widened a little so that fits in with the rest of our "Fat Bottom Girls"! I will need to do some research on the brakes R&R. Probably Sandy Lake will be able to add another addition to a building!:) BTW I broke the brake rod on our grandson's WD while pulling. Another adventure in Allis in Wonderland for sure! Also I dont have a clue on the status of this engine? Its for sure got a good protective coating on the exterior. It does run, More to come. Thanks for the comments and support! I will need it! Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Leon B MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Old Monroe, Mo Points: 2087 |
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Whiskey-dick...that there .. thats funny...thendrix.
Sugermaker, that CA took 3rd that day... with a little AC know how, you and your young-uns can have a good time for years to come. The CA is one of my favorites. Best of luck Leon B MO
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Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Leon, Folks,
Thanks. Will make a run at this tommorow if the weather is right. My friend Jim is dealing on a tractor for pulling also. Must be something in the water!? Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Folks,
The CA is home and have done a few mods on a couple things. You know the new toy syndrome!:) Loaded up with Jack the previous owner: In the shop for review. Oli pressure is good. oil looks clean, leaks just like all ther othe Allis tractors too!: He told me it steers way farther one way that the other. Humm. The drag link had been cut and shortened. I found that to be more centered it needed to be extended about 4 inches. So and little cutting and welding and that was corrected. The ball joints are not good. The steering is VERY hard to turn while not moving. I did get another steering box, with it but not sure what the real problem is yet. Looking at C and CA pictures This is messed up pretty good!:) She is a little chub compared to her big sisters the WD's! Exhaust was the first thing to come off. This may not be final: Tries are cracked from age, but in fair shape, Jack had widened the rims which are IH style. He found two more weights which are portions of IH weights about 40 lb each. Looking forward to see how it does at the final pull of the season, coming up OCT 8: Regards, Chris
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IBWD MIke ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3618 |
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Chris, how is the manifold? I've had five 125 CI engines now, none had a serviceable one on it when it got here!
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John426 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 2012 Location: France Points: 275 |
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John426 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 14 Aug 2012 Location: France Points: 275 |
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JC-WI ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 33769 |
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That's the power maker resistor...
.. Keeps the points from burning when converted to 12 volts. Have fun Chris, those are snappy little engines.
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The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4617 |
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Your "Johnny Cash" CA has a mis-mash of many things. The odd steering is because of the "long arm" Steering box from a C with the "short arm" C front post. Find a CA post and steering box and then make sure things are "Timed" as per the service manual and it will steer the same both ways as when it left the factory.
Consider adding a charging unit. Just having a battery for starting lowers available voltage for ignition.
There isn't much difference in any of the CE engines that were use in the B.C & CA tractors. Basically the CA would have a higher RPM governor spring a slightly larger venturi that what was used for a B&C. Also the engines used in the CA would have a slightly higher compression. In stock form those engines will do very well with Grampa gear restrictions and near factory size tires as you have. However if you want more, your wallet is the only limit of what can be done. Here's how the CA I had would run in 3rd gear. Edited by PaulB - 23 Sep 2022 at 12:58pm |
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 79894 |
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what Paul said.......
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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wjohn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1892 |
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Congrats Chris! Looks much better than my CA. I'm sure you'll get the steering sorted out in no time.
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1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Paul, Folks,
So I see the short vs long front arm on the lower front. Mine looks like it is welded on to the shaft?? Doesnt look easy to change?? But I probably don't know what I am looking at yet either?:) I dont know enough about these yet to know the difference in a C vs a CA sterring box? I did get an additional steering box and will have to take a picture of that too. Short term goal is to pull the Johnny Cash tractor at the local pull Oct 8. Well Maybe the grandson will pull it? Currently I have a brake drum replacement project on our Grandsons WD. What a joy that is!:) I messed up the heating process on the new brake drum and will have to get another! It cooled and got stuck about 3/4 of the way on to the shaft! I hate when that happens. Hope things are good in orange land! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 26 Sep 2022 at 7:41am |
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Folks,
My first pull with the CA was this past Saturday. Only three pullers in the 2500 lb class. All three of us pulled 247 feet. I got second place missing first by about a inch or so. I have some work to do on the brakes for next year. It might have helped me keep out of a previous hole in the track? This was the only tractor that caught fire at the pull. Just minor around the exhasut manifold as I exited the track. Probably oil leak and acumulated dirt. Note to self might be good to have fire extingushers on all the tractors! :) Getting to the rainy pull day: My Allis team at the pull. CA, WZ and WD45: I did get first in the 4000lb class with the WD45. About 10 tractors in that class. Track was just a little hard and I chjose to pull in second gear half throttle to stay under the 3.5 MPH speed limit. Had enough power left at the end to win by about 25 feet. Actually stalled out in the end. Ruby and I resting (almost): Oh I may have found a CA narrow front close by?? Will see if that happens. Very worn in the front end of this Johnny Cash tractor! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 10 Oct 2022 at 8:04am |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2702 |
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Smiles are always good ! Thanks for sharing .
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Folks,
Several general questions on the CA. I would like, at sometime before next seson, to work on the brakes. I will have to do some research as to what to look for. Maybe they just need adjusted?? Any tips are welcome as the CA is a new Allis critter for me and I know the experts are on here. Another thing is the engine question. This will probably never happen but I thought I had heard that larger tractor engines will bolt ut to a CA? Like D14 or D15? Not really looking to go crazy here but is something to think about. I know Paul has forgot way more than I will ever know about these tractors. Right now my house restoration project has me in a headlock and I still have the brakes to complete on Nic's WD., And a engine to complete for the 32 Ford AAB truck. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 11 Oct 2022 at 8:08am |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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PaulB ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4617 |
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Generally I always install complete new bands. I rarely find bands worth relining due to rust and mouse pee. Often they will come out in 2 parts when force in needed. On the plus side the anchor pins are generally not as bad a WD/WD45/D17 pins. Don't bother with doing anything to the drums unless they are terribly gouged out.
Any engine from a D10/12/14/15 will go in with little difficulty. It would depend on how cheap you can find one, as opposed to doing something with the current engine. Something close to 30 HP can be had from the CE block with a few custom parts. 60+ can be had if you can afford it.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Paul, Folks,
Much to learn on the little Allis tractor. Thanks for your comments! I think of you when I have pulled the WD45 in second gear at several events and won the class. In those cases the track was hard to very hard, and the power to weight and balance was just about right. Most of these pulls the speed is limited to 3.5 MPH. So about half throttle is all thats needed till about 3/4 of the way down the track. Looking forward to getting into the CA tractor this winter. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 11 Oct 2022 at 6:46pm |
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AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4827 |
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A CA with a 160cu from a series II D15 would be cool.
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If it turns sharper one way than the other you might be able to take the arm off of the steering box and move it one spline and make it center better. There's a screw on the starter side behind the starter that you can adjust to help with the slop .
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Guys,
Thanks, I probably wont find a series II D15 engine, but the concept is appropriate for a old pulling tractor. The steering modification I did to lenghten the drag link ballance the turing ability. But the tractor steers very hard!!. Something is not right on the box or the front end. And it has WAY too much slop in the "C" front end! Serious death wobble. Thanks for the hint on tightening up the box. I dont think you can move the arm on the box one click it has offset spline features that only allow it to go on one position. Regards, Chris
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Steve in NJ ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11729 |
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Chris, Great lookin' CA! With some work it'll work out great for ya. One of the first things you want to do when updating the Ignition system is to take that ballast resistor and throw it in the garbage. Install a internal resisted coil. Those resistors didn't work under the hood of a 60's Automobile, never mind out in the elements on a Tractor! If you're using that for pulling, toss an E.I. in the Distributor with a high output internal resisted Coil on the ole' girl. That'll wake her up a little bit. And install a charging system.... Good Luck with your new toy! Steve@B&B
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Steve,
Thanks Yes many potential upgrades could be done to improve this old tractor. One pull and had fun! Hope to get time this winter to work on it too. Thanks guys for checking in on me. Hope things are good in Orange land! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 14 Oct 2022 at 7:03pm |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 79894 |
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jack the front tires an inch off the ground and then turn the steering wheel.. Look for the location of SLOP.. Remove one end of the steering rod and see if the HARD TURN is in the front end / gear box ...... or box under the gas tank.
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8221 |
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Steve, Folks,
I did have it jacked up. Most of the slop seems to be in front spindle area. I will need to do some reasearch on that area for potential improvement. Just havent had time to work on any tractors with my house siding project and winter coming on fast!:) Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 19 Oct 2022 at 7:53am |
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