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    Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 6:26pm
 
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Sorry 'bout that.  For some reason I couldn't get my message in with the photo.  I bought this plow yesterday, and it sure looks like it hasn't done much.  Can this plow be converted to snap coupler?  Also, is there any source of shares for the 373 bottom?  I know they are not available with the large aftermarket companies.  Thanks!
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What is the extra piece on the shin? Is it a weld on piece?
 


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its a cover-board
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If it hasn't been used much the shares aren't worn much either and will shine up with use.

The snap coupler bits attach to a bar through the holes where the present 3 point bar goes across (frames are the same, hitches are on separate pages from the frames) and the framing screw replaces the fixed length bar to the back of the plow from the three point hitch tower. The snap coupler has its own tower for the beaming screw.

It looks like the same pull bar and beaming screw was used for 60, 70, and 80 series plows 2 and 3 bottom, 10, 12, 14, and 16" plows, foer B, CA, D & WD series tractors. The same goes for the three point assembly. Same grouping of plow frames.

For the 372 (also 371 and 373) bottoms prior to Dec 1962 only one share was offered for each width, 16" 344190, 14" 338010, and 12" 338008. Effective 1962 the frog was changed from 341870 (supersedes 337438) to 344198 and several more shares were offered. For right hand only: 16" 337848 (four bolt holes used before Jan 1963), 334190 (5 bolt holes eff Jan 1963), 344866 (economy type, 5 bolt holes), and 349031 (stoney, 5 bolt holes). 14" 338010 (3 bolt holes prior to Jan 1963), 334186 (4 bolt holes eff Jan 1963), and 344865 (economy type 4 bolt holes). And several more for 12".

The main differences between the 371, 372, and 373 were shares and moldboards.

I see you have the optional trash covering shins shown on a separate page in the plow bottoms book.

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Your plow is a 72, adjustable frame.  nice find by the way.  I wouldn't modify it if it were me. I'd let some of the D10-12 factory three point owners that have slobber running down their cheeks right now run it up high enough to buy two snap coupler plows, LOL. Shares for that bottom are tough finds. None at AGCO and none at the Wiess or Osmundson tha I am aware of, dealers have old stock and the parts vendors are your sources, I find it easier to re-drill the frogs for a share that is available.


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The shin is an optional part called a trash coverer shin. Has shin and a bracce with the 3/8" plow bolts. part number 344474.

I don't see enough bolts for a 70 series cross bar or enough cross braces. Or is it 10 or 12" which is adjustable width in a 60? And hasn't the cross braces of the larger two bottom plows. Has more holes like the 70 10/12" where the 60 10/12" has few holes in the beams up front. So it could be a 70 10/12", not a 70 14/16".

Few parts were shared between the small 62 and 72 other than the hitch parts.

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   That is a #72. Not all 70 / 80 series had the cross beam.
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Gerald if I am wrong it would only be the 4th time today and it isn't even 7AM yet, LOL.  I went by the the rear bottom, look up at the top of the beam and those oblong washers, are't those the ones that belong under the bolts/nuts where you adjust the frame? Also has vertical coulter shanks which I dont believe were on any 60 series?  I have a model 72 that is set out to 16" and identicle save snap coupler. Has no angle braces that I remember but I am going to check next time I am at the farm.

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I have never seen trash cver shins like that. I would think it would interfer with scouring of the plow.
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That was nice of you Charlie to help all the guys needing a three point setup to get with Kevin. lol
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Thanks guys for all of your comments.  I'm glad to know it is a #72.
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The clamp on coulters are another hint it could be a 72 from my plow frames book the 62 would have bolted on coulter sockets. Coulters are a lot like plow bottoms, not a part of the plow frame but including in the plow bottoms book and most coulters came with a clamp to fit the bar. And the later larger plows like the 9000 and my 2000 monoframe actually have a stub bar on the shank to take those coulters because the main frame is too high up.

Having only one cross piece, says its a 10 or 12 inch adjustable width, and both the 62 and the 72 for 10 and 12" bottoms are that way. The beams of the 72 have more holes up front than the 62, as does this plow. The 62 and the 72 10/12 don't share main steel parts, but do share hardware like bolts and nuts and a spacer block along with the brace pieces for the shanks, but not the shanks. It may be that the 72 shanks are a bit longer for better crop clearance, I can't tell that from this book.

For other plow frames I've not compared part by part but I sometimes think they were designed to start with bins of bent and drilled bars and could build 50, 60, 70, and 80 from those bins without having to pick a different bar for a different model plow except where there's a difference for adjusting the width on the 70 and the 80 and that some of the same bars ought to fit 2, 3, 4, and 5 bottom frames. But there may be more subtle differences than I've detected from the parts book.

In the 14 and 16" plow frames, the 50 has vertical shanks and fixed width, the 60 has slanted shanks and fixed width, the 70 has slanted shanks and adjustable width, and the 80 has trip slanted shanks and adjustable width. But the trip shanks are shown separately also with the notes they fit 60 and 80 frames depending on which shank page I look at. So the mounting holes for angled shanks and trip shanks are the same and they could have been interchanged, or ordered that way. In the 70 and 80 two bottom roll over plows (and I've found a 60 2 bottom roll over too) the frame bars are the same, just the 70 seemed to have straight shanks and the 80 had trip shanks.

Identifying plow frames for sure is getting more complicated the more I study them. Their were inconsistencies and options that blur the picture.

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I have plow with those same cover boards.
And here it is at work.
 
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Is this the same plow I got on the rack??
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   Kurzy, yours is a model 62.
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Petty HOT item!! Whats it worth?
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Kurzy, That 3 bottum plow is really doing a great job of plowing and scouring.
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