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Farmboy 
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:12pm |
Ok guys need to know what you guys think. I looking at renting about 17 acres from my Grandma this year and maybe do up to about 30 acres total. I'm just doing sweet corn and garden stuff plus mow and bale the grass that's on it as well. By fall plan on plating wheat for next year. My questen is I got a JD #25 combine right now. Needs the canvses and little sheet metal work done on the bottom. I've grown up with deere and allis. Part of me wants to restore the #25 as hate to scrape it but was thinking of getting a 60,66 or 72 as I know many parts are ready for them thanks Mr. Yaz. I never run any of them so didn't know ups or downs of them. I'll would using a '46 JD for now. Hope to have the WD and the MM ZT going in the next couple years. Thanks for any thoughts.
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GlenninPA
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:22pm |
The Allcrop will give you a better grain sample in the tank if you got it set right. The rubber bars and concave strips are easier on the grain. There were a lot of Deere's out there, but a lot more Allis's.
You will find us here biased in favor of AC.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:24pm |
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A 46 John Deere what?
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:26pm |
' 46 JD A. sorry didn't relized I left that out. I know i'll get a bias on here for the orange but that's ok. Just want to know what I get about them. What made them so good.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 2:34pm |
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An A will be no problem. Something like an LA would be too small.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 3:14pm |
 Farmboy wrote:
' 46 JD A. sorry didn't relized I left that out. I know i'll get a bias on here for the orange but that's ok. Just want to know what I get about them. What made them so good. |
the rubber on rubber threshing is/was made the All-Crop excel. Also you go a lot of threshing/cleaning surface for the relatively small width of cut. The flipping of the straw for sideways flow was a plus too.
Also add: See if you can still get rasp bars for the Deere. Lot of parts a guy can fab
if he had to, but hard to do a rasp bar.
IMHO Take the Deere to the shows, Take the AllCrop to the fields.
Edited by TomYaz - 27 Jan 2011 at 3:16pm
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 4:25pm |
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Thanks Tom. I've looked at your site in the past and like that many parts are avabile threw you. My Grandpa had a 60 or 66 way back when and I bleed green as much as orange and vice vesa so I don't care about the color. Even our big tractors we use on the farm our both green and orange. Just want something that will work well and make me a little money. Like I said I hate to just get rid of the deere combine as no matter what the color it's still part of our farming history.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 7:43pm |
Farmboy wrote:
Thanks Tom. I've looked at your site in the past and like that many parts are avabile threw you. My Grandpa had a 60 or 66 way back when and I bleed green as much as orange and vice vesa so I don't care about the color. Even our big tractors we use on the farm our both green and orange. Just want something that will work well and make me a little money. Like I said I hate to just get rid of the deere combine as no matter what the color it's still part of our farming history. |
No prob...Deere made a decent combine too. Dont scrap it, find it a good home. Certainly are better looking machines. Been told the clamshell design of the Deere pulltypes was based on the AC40 design that AC sold them...not 100% sure if it is true, but if you look at AC40 next to Deere 12A they look a lot alike.
I know how you feel about letting go of familiy farm equipment. I have gotten ridden of some stuff much less significant and felt that twang of guilt. But Knowing it will be of good use to someone takes the sting out a bit. Better than letting it sit and rot.
Another thing to consider is it will be much easier to find a parts machine if an allcrop.
Good to have one; cheaper than buying off me, and quicker delivery!
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 8:59pm |
TomYaz wrote:
No prob...Deere made a decent combine too. Dont scrap it, find it a good home. Certainly are better looking machines. |
Tom, I have to disagree on which one looks better !!
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 9:03pm |
Im thinkin AC decided to go after "form follows function" when it sold the purdy 40 to Deer (alledgedly). The highly functional next All-Crop looks like a Rube Glodberg machine to me.
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Posted: 27 Jan 2011 at 10:35pm |
I think the first order of business is to evaluate the condition of the Deere you have, what it needs to be field ready. If you can find parts or have them made and the cost.
The next would be the availability of an AC in a reasonable distance and the cost to purchase and to get it field ready. I would prefer a 90 or a 72 with a feeder house versus a machine with a canvas.
Finally if you have nieghbors growing wheat you may have yours custom combined cheaper than you can own or maintain even an old pull type machine.
I have a 72 just for fun and it was a blast to finally get it in the field harvesting late planted soybeans but it's going to be a bit of a money pit to get it back to field ready after some corrosion issues emerged. (Rust holes in the bottom of the concave and the bottom of the clean grain elevator.)
Finally how much time do you have for farming? With a 6' head in low gear it takes a while to get anything done. If your neighbor can roll in and harvest your wheat in a couple hours instead of a couple days it leaves you more time to bale straw or work ground or get back to your day job!
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 7:29am |
Dave in il wrote:
I think the first order of business is to evaluate the condition of the Deere you have, what it needs to be field ready. If you can find parts or have them made and the cost.
The next would be the availability of an AC in a reasonable distance and the cost to purchase and to get it field ready. I would prefer a 90 or a 72 with a feeder house versus a machine with a canvas.
Finally if you have nieghbors growing wheat you may have yours custom combined cheaper than you can own or maintain even an old pull type machine.
I have a 72 just for fun and it was a blast to finally get it in the field harvesting late planted soybeans but it's going to be a bit of a money pit to get it back to field ready after some corrosion issues emerged. (Rust holes in the bottom of the concave and the bottom of the clean grain elevator.)
Finally how much time do you have for farming? With a 6' head in low gear it takes a while to get anything done. If your neighbor can roll in and harvest your wheat in a couple hours instead of a couple days it leaves you more time to bale straw or work ground or get back to your day job! |
Well said Dave....An All-Crop isnt for everyone, as much as I wish it was!
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:26am |
At 3 1/2 foot cut and an acre an hour, the 40 wasn't going to get wartime allocation of materials, even if it did fit the B and C. The 60 won out by being more productive. After the war, it was obvious that "bigger was better"...
None the less, the 40 is my favorite combine, and is THE reason I started collecting AC.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 10:10am |
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We had a 60 when i was growing up ,pulled with W C and power take off. 40 minutes to an acre in 2nd gear . IT did a little better when we got a D14. Usually cut 300 acres a year It ran from 47 or48 untill about 80 or 81 .Cousin bought old home place and it is still in the shed. PS Books list over 100 crops you can harvest with it and tells how to set it up.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 12:38pm |
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The only thing I need to do to get my deere running is a new canves, maybe some new belts and new sheet metal along the bottom cross auger. It's in pretty decent shape and wasn't bad for $50. Plus only do about 10 acres at most with it so not a big deal about using an old combine. I'll still have to think about it but if there an allcrop at the local spring aucton that goes cheap I'll get it. Thanks guys.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:09pm |
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Farmboy, as much as I like All Crops, If you've got a combine that will work, spend enough to use it. The big expense is the canvas, I assume Tom doesn't stock them but he may be able to find one for you. But - they aren't cheap. I found a 12A at a neighbor's place that looks good but the cap is off the radiator, gas tank and exhaust plus the canvas is gone. Still I may get it for display at the county fair, along with my powered All Crop.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:58pm |
JohnCO wrote:
Farmboy, as much as I like All Crops, If you've got a combine that will work, spend enough to use it. The big expense is the canvas, I assume Tom doesn't stock them but he may be able to find one for you. But - they aren't cheap. I found a 12A at a neighbor's place that looks good but the cap is off the radiator, gas tank and exhaust plus the canvas is gone. Still I may get it for display at the county fair, along with my powered All Crop.
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Me not having drapers!? Perish the thought! My biggest selling item!
If all you need is a few things to get the Deere running, go for it. But odds are you wont find out what else needs done until your in the field. That goes for any old machine.
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:08pm |
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+1 on that Tom !!!!
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Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:17pm |
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Is your A an all fuel or gas? my pap has an all fuel bored 90 thousanths over. I love the way that thing runs. Best running deere I"ve ever heard.
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