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Hudsonator 
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 Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 7:29am |
I became a Massey Fan, but then I'm a small-mid size tractor user. We went to Louisville to the machinery show this past February - and they lost me right there on the spot with the Sisu engine. Massey had the best package of time tested ruggedness and simplicity out there for the money in that size tractor, they've gone and screwed up hopelessly.
I hate to say it, but AGCO's days as a US concern are numbered unless they wise up.
I think I've said this before, but I had a long conversation with the Massey folks at Louisville and really gave them a hard time over the loss of the Perkins engines. They had a good explanation, the tractors are manufactured in India and India won't allow engines built out of their country to be used in tractors meant for sale in India. So, to comply and get the smaller tractors built in India for sale in the country- the Sisu had to the be engine.
My only reply was, "America should have some laws like that". The conversation ended right there.
Mark
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Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 10:05am |
They use Sisu in Agco because they own Sisu. Massey sold Perkins to Cat before Agco bought Massey. If they could have hung onto them a little longer, all Agco gear would be running Perkins today. THe sisu is a good engine.
Deutz no longer offers the air cooled diesel in their tractors which is a shame. It is a good engine.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 10:38am |
 Hudsonator wrote:
I think I've said this before, but I had a long conversation with the Massey folks at Louisville and really gave them a hard time over the loss of the Perkins engines. They had a good explanation, the tractors are manufactured in India and India won't allow engines built out of their country to be used in tractors meant for sale in India. So, to comply and get the smaller tractors built in India for sale in the country- the Sisu had to the be engine.
My only reply was, "America should have some laws like that". The conversation ended right there.
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I believe the tractors you are referring to (the MF 2600 Series) use a Simpson engine - not a SISU engine - if you would do your research you would know that Simpson engines are and have been a Perkins licensee for over 40 years. Yes they are built in India, but if you would strip the decals off, you would find you are looking at a Perkins engine.
By the way, if the 2600's had the SISU engine that would be the best utility on the market. It's tough to beat the SISU motor, probably one of the best available worldwide.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 11:15am |
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As a purchaser, it would make no sense to me to buy a brand that I knew was going away. This announcement will shut the doors on the Agco brand sooner than they plan. Nothing personal, just good business. To fall in love with a brand is personal, and somewhat foolish. To announce that they are going to shut down the brand is very honest but unwise, as it will kill their sales of that brand much sooner than they want, plus generate a certain amount of animosity, pronounced in many of the above posts, that will hurt their future sales.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 7:12pm |
JimIA wrote:
Yes, we got the letter today. Orange tractors will be built through 2010 and through 2011 per customers orders. What could be an even bigger mistake is they are taking out Fendt too!
Heres the good news. They say in the letter that "AGCO is committed ot the Silver Gleaner transvers combine. Dont let anyone tell you its not." That is an exact quote from AGCO. They say they have done alot of updates in the last few years and also say "The best is yet to come".
I'm not gonna say anymore, there will be enough complaining. All I can say is dont go out and buy green and if I ever meet Richenhagen in person he is gonna be called alot of names by me, a fair amount of them will be four letter words.
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Posted: 14 Nov 2009 at 7:26pm |
Where did you get that idea that Fendt is going away in N. Am.?
The only place Fendt in North America is mentioned in the letter to dealers (the letter partially posted at the beginning of this thread -- the posting does not include this part of the letter) is in this sentence: "
At the same time, brands like Sunflower, Hesston, Gleaner, AG Chem, Fendt and others have
long established customer loyalties and represent a substantial amount of sales volume to AGCO
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The big question is, 'What about parts??' We need someone to answer this! I farm with all orange, but if I can't get any more parts, then I will have to change!
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Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 9:03am |
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WD - I emailed AGCO on it in June. I asked them if parts were going to continue to be made and if orange tractors were going to continue to be made. They said yes to both and now orange tractors are gone. Do you think I believe their going to keep parts too? Their montra now is shoe horn people and dealers either out the door or into Massey. Don't you think they'll try to shoe horn old equipment people into new tractors? Awhile back someone brought up that a part wasn't available any more and that AGCO wouldn't release it to have others sell/make it. I don't know how they could do that but I think if they can do that you'll see that more and more with parts. All of our orange AGCO and AC tractors took a hit in value this week IMO.
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As long as there are dealers and parts sales there will be parts for the orange tractors. I had a guy come in to work on Friday and order a bunch of parts for an Oliver 66. Thats a tractor that is fifty years old and has been through three corporations now. So like I said as long as there are dealers there will be parts.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 12:37pm |
Jordan(OH) wrote:
All along they said they couldn't name a tractor Allis-Chalmers because of naming rights, then they drop Allis from the name. Then Briggs can come out with a lawn tractor with Allis-Chalmers and the logo on it, but AGCO can't use the name? Yeah right. Shows me they never were interested in using the name.
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Yep that thought ran across my mind too when I heard about the lawn tractors.
Maybe it will take the North American sales to tank from this bonehead move to make them see the light on the value of the Allis brand. I wonder how well the lawn tractor has sold overall. I have heard nothing but positive news here from some dealers, but that doesnt give me the complete picture..
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It is important to know one fact about this entire travesty, one man is responsible for it all. The stubborn prick from Germany! Nearly all of the company personnel knows what a mistake this is. The brand that is a distant 3rd in NA sales - MF, The brand the was fabricated a few short years ago and their CAT distribution which now appears to be crumbling - Challenger, and with all of these facts, this knot kills the golden (Orange) goose. I think the best thing to happen is for bankruptcy! Maybe this will wake up the "good old boy" club which is the board of directors.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 6:20pm |
Look at this bozo's compensation:
I didnt realize stupidity had such high market value....
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Posted: 15 Nov 2009 at 6:29pm |
If anyone want to send a love letter to AGCO:
Public Relations
Rebecca Fabian
Stockheim Media
501 Fifth Avenue, Suite 2108
New York, NY 10017
USA
E-Mail: rf@stockheim-media.com
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 9:41am |
I bet the Rumley people were this upset too. And the United Tractor people. Didn't Allis Chalmers buy the Buda Engine Company too? Wasn't there a time when AC was the huge corporation gobbling up smaller companies and killing brand names?
That being said, My folks own 2 DT 240's, a smaller agco allis, and they're great tractors. I was proud that they were built by the Allis Gleaner Co. BUT there's nothing like farming with my brother who runs an 8070 and R62. And hearing the UC growl on the auger makes me smile.
I'm really going to miss orange paint.
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Big difference, AGCO is killing its own. It would be like AC buying Rumley and keeping the Rumley brand and killing the Allis Chalmers name. Besides, the AGCO orange tractor has been the best selling AGCO tractor in NA. Most competent people would not kill their most popular brand. Thats why this is about a German knothead with an agenda!
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One way to get AGCO's attention is to use the media. I know that may seem a little far fetched or stupid...but you get the word out that people are not happy....they will listen. Write AGCO a letter/email. WE are what keeps them going..they need US! Let them know that.
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A question that needs to be asked. AGCO is now telling their dealers that Gleaner is not going away, but the company is going to 2 brands in NA market. Which is it, is Gleaner not going away or are they going to 2 brands? We have a major corporate oxymoron going here. What are they trying to do now, a little egg on their face or the typical incompetence in Duluth? They are also now telling dealers that AGCO orange tractors and Gleaner combines don't go together. They must have some good hooch they are smoking in Richenhagens office!
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AGCO lost my faith earlier in the year. I proudly purchased a White 6144 in the late 90's. Soon the BRAND was no longer important and was phased out. Then the troubles started. This tractor was nothing but a nightmare to get parts for. Over the past two years it was in the shop for 18 months. They could never find the matching part number. It took them months to find a simple driveline coupler to match. They would have to send the broken part off and have special built. It was almost comical as if this machine was a prototype built from non production parts. The dealer was super frustrated and I was irrate. lots of $$$ later I finally made the decsion to get rid of it for a JD. I have never owned a Deere but felt no other choice. We will see how it turns out but I have decided that AGCO, a company I want to succeed, will have to prosper without my particiaption. I hope the WHITE issue I had doesn't repeat for all of you AGCO guys. Good Luck.
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