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    Posted: 24 Nov 2021 at 3:42pm
Thank you for allowing me to search your brain, mine is worn out looking for information concerning this unit. I have been successful at finding the parts to rebuild the G230 Buda engine in it, but I can find no specs. I would like to have torques and clearances and willing to purchase if available. My dream would be a service manual on the forklift if it also included the Buda information.
A bit about myself, I am a retired Cat mechanic that restores old equipment as my hobby. I could "wing it" for the specs but prefer the beast to be at its best when I finish. AC bought Buda in 1953 and I think this unit is about that age because the AC ID plate is just glued on the block and unused rivet holes on the opposite side.
Model #   Allis Chalmers ACP 80 Dual DR
Serial #   27306022
Weight 13300  Pounds
Lift   8000  Pounds
Engine - Buda
Engine Model #  G-230
Engine Cat  #  4516758
Engine S/N   G-69191  
Thank you very much for any help you can offer.
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welcome to the forum.
Which department of cat did you work.
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Field Service, service truck putting out fires.
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I see I am asking questions that are very difficult for you as well. I believe the Buda G-230 engine was used in other machines, a combine comes up periodically, but I can not find anything on that front either.
Any ideas why this unit is so elusive?
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you might try searchin www.liberatedmanuals.com...
'allis lift 8000' in the serch will narrow down the 1,000s of manuals to a few 100 or so....
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Thank you Jay for your interest. I have searched this site several times, and still search it again and again, because it is so large. It is like this forklift has never existed, and it kept its engine with it.

I wonder if maybe very few were built so not wide spread like some units??? The g-230 was soon replaced with the g-262, so maybe few were made??? AC also used the diesel side of Buda extensively.

I found one service/parts manual on the ACP80, but it has a waukashaw engine...
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If I can submit a pdf file to this site, it is the best I have found. It is from Sandy lake implement and is about a hundred k in size.
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Is there anyone else out there or am I just entertaining myself here?

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Wink We keep reading, even though I don't know much about forklifts. Wink Oh other than there should be more of them in the world.LOL



For what ever reason there is never a lot of response on forklift questions.
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Thank you gentlemen, I know I am not alone now. I am still looking for a parts manual for the Buda and will post anything I find. Merry Christmas.
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Look and see if Binder books has what you are looking for. Don't have all the AC but some. And a new place the IH guys are real happy with is Peaceful Creek manuals. Both have very good quaintly. If you get real desperate Jen sales seem to have everything, but are photo copies of copies so you still guess about part of the time.  
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We are out here but just not much data that I have related to these AC forklifts. Even though I have a smaller one I have not located much information. Again maybe not checking with the correct folks? There was a company I got some parts from that might help. You would have to find there name in my old thread on the F-40 that I got going. 
Mine smokes like crazy on gas. But it is not on the list to rebuild. 
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i believe the Gleaner A and/or A II combines used the G230 engine. I think that's the only AC farm equipment to use that engine. Good Luck
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The history of forklifts

Forklift industry merger and acquisition history
From the very start, the forklift industry has been riddled with various mergers, buyouts, collaborations, and acquisitions. This can make it confusing to keep track of OEMs when ownership of a forklift brand is constantly changing. Check out this timeline of the history of the major manufacturers in the forklift industry to help you make sense of your products.
The 1800s
⦁    1868, Yale: Yale Lock Manufacturing Co. (USA) is formed, later becoming Yale and Towne Manufacturing Co.
⦁    1890, Caterpillar: Caterpillar (USA) is founded by Benjamin Holt and Daniel Best.
⦁    1896, Doosan: The Doosan Group (South Korea) is founded.
⦁    1898, Baker: Baker Motor Vehicle Co. (USA) is founded to build electric cars. Soon, Baker increases its product line to include electric load trucks.
1900 – 1920
⦁    1901, Allis-Chalmers: The Allis-Chalmers Company (USA) is founded.
⦁    1903, Allis-Chalmers: Allis-Chalmers acquires the Bullock Electric Company.
⦁    1907, Linde: The Linde Air Products Company (Germany) is established.
⦁    1917, Komatsu: Komatsu Iron Works (Japan) is established, later becoming Komatsu Ltd. In 1921.
⦁    1919, Clark: Clark Tructractor Company (USA) is established as a division of the Clark Equipment Company.
⦁    1919, Towmotor: Towmotor Corporation (USA) is founded.
1920 – 1940
⦁    1920s, Hyster: Hyster’s (USA) parent companies, Electric Steel Foundry and Willamette Iron & Steel Works, are established.
⦁    1920, Mitsubishi: Shibaura Works of Ohte-Shokai K.K. is established as a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Shipbuilding Co., Ltd., which eventually becomes Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. (Japan).
⦁    1922, Raymond: Raymond Corporation (USA) is formed.
⦁    1929, Linde: Linde takes over Güldner-Motoren-Gesellschaft, a German engine and tractor manufacturer.
⦁    1930s, Yale: Yale acquires BKS forklifts in Germany.
⦁    1934, Hyster: Electric Steel Foundry and Willamette Iron & Steel Works have combined into Willamette Hyster Company and an early straddle-carrier forklift model is produced.
1940 – 1960
⦁    1942, CESAB: CESAB (Italy) is founded.
⦁    1943, Cascade: Cascade Manufacturing Co. (USA) is founded.
⦁    1944, Hyster: Willamette Hyster Company is renamed Hyster Company.
⦁    1945, Crown: Crown Equipment Corporation (USA) is founded.
⦁    1946, BT: BT Forklifts (Sweden) is founded.
⦁    1947, Hyundai: The Hyundai Group (South Korea) is founded.
⦁    1949, TCM: Toyo Carriers Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (Japan) is founded.
⦁    1950, Prime-Mover: The Prime-Mover Company (USA) is founded by the Home-O-Nize Company of Iowa.
⦁    1952, Komatsu: Komatsu acquires Ikegai Automobile Manufacturing Co. and Chuetsu Electro Chemical Co.
⦁    1952, Mitsubishi: Mitsubishi is renamed Mitsubishi Nippon Heavy-Industries, Ltd.
⦁    1953, Jungheinrich: Establishment of H. Jungheinrich & Co. Maschinenfabrik (Germany).
⦁    1953, Allis-Chalmers: Allis-Chalmers acquires the Buda Engine Co., adding diesel engines to its product line.
⦁    1956, Toyota: Toyota Motor Corporation (Japan) introduces its first forklift model, the LA 1-ton truck.
⦁    1956, Towmotor: Towmotor acquires Gerlinger Carrier Company.
⦁    1957, Nissan: The first Nissan (Japan) forklift is produced.
⦁    1958, Heli: Anhui Heli (China) is established
1960 – 1980
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1960s, Doosan: Korea Machinery Co., Ltd. begins importing forklifts as part of a national machinery expansion project.
⦁    1962, Halla: Hyundai International Inc. is founded.
⦁    1963, Yale: Yale merges with Eaton Manufacturing.
⦁    1963, Towmotor: Towmotor acquires Ohio Gear Company.
⦁    1965, Caterpillar, Towmotor: Towmotor becomes a wholly owned subsidiary of Caterpillar Tractor Company.
⦁    1970, Komatsu: Komatsu America Corp. is established in the U.S.
⦁    1976, TCM: TCM America (MBK), Inc. is established.
⦁    1976, Doosan: Korea Machinery merges into Daewoo Heavy Industries Ltd.
⦁    1977, Baker, Linde: Linde acquires Baker Material Handling Corporation.
⦁    1978, Halla: Hyundai International Inc. is rebranded as the Halla Group (South Korea).
1980 – 2000
⦁    1980s, Allis-Chalmers: Allis-Chalmers begins selling off some of its subsidiaries in the face of rapid economic change.
⦁    1980, Hoist: Forklift Exchange is founded in the suburbs of Chicago, IL.
⦁    1984, Hyster: ⦁    Hyster Company is acquired by ESCO Corporation.
⦁    1984, Linde: Linde acquires Fenwick, the largest French lift truck manufacturer.
⦁    1985, Yale: Yale is acquired by NACCO Industries, Inc., and Yale Materials Handling Corporation is established.
⦁    1985, Komatsu: Komatsu America Manufacturing Corp. and Komatsu America Industries LLC are both established in the U.S.
⦁    1986, Cascade: Cascade forms a joint venture with Xiamen Forklift Company of China (Xiamen-Cascade Corp., Ltd.).
⦁    1988, Toyota: Toyota Industrial Equipment Manufacturing, Inc. (TIEM) is established in Indiana as a joint venture with Toyota Motor Corporation.
⦁    1988, TCM: TCM Manufacturing USA, Inc. is founded.
⦁    1988, Prime-Mover: ⦁    Prime-Mover is acquired by BT Industries AB of Sweden.
⦁    1989, Hyster: ⦁    Hyster Company is acquired by NACCO Industries, Inc.
⦁    1989, Linde: Linde ⦁    acquires Lansing Bagnall, a British forklift manufacturer.
⦁    1992, Yale: Yale Europe Materials Handling is established.
⦁    1992, Caterpillar, Mitsubishi: Caterpillar and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries together ⦁    form Mitsubishi Caterpillar Forklift America, Inc. (MCFA).
⦁    1993, Nissan: Nissan Forklift Corporation North America is established.
⦁    1993, Komatsu: Komatsu Cummins Engine Co., Ltd. and Cummins Komatsu Engine Company are established in Japan and the U.S., respectively.
⦁    1994, Hyster, Yale: NACCO Materials Handling Group, Inc. (NMHG) is established.
⦁    1994, Hoist: Forklift Exchange ⦁    acquires Silent Hoist and Crane, a Brooklyn-based company. It is rebranded as Hoist Liftruck Manufacturing, Inc. (USA).
⦁    1995, Toyota: Toyota Industrial Equipment, S.A. (TIESA) is established in France as a joint venture with Toyota Motor Corporation and Manitou B.F.
⦁    1997, BT, Raymond: Raymond Corp. is ⦁    acquired by BT Industries AB for $353 million, and BT Raymond is established.
⦁    1997, Halla: ⦁    Halla collapses under the pressure of the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis.
⦁    1998, Clark: Clark Material Handling Company acquires the Samsung Fork Lift Company of Korea.
⦁    1998, Allis-Chalmers: The remaining Allis-Chalmers manufacturing companies are divested.
⦁    1999, Allis-Chalmers: Allis-Chalmers officially closes its main offices.
2000 – Present day
⦁    2000, BT, Toyota: Toyota acquires BT Industries AB of Sweden.
⦁    2000, Komatsu: Komatsu establishes global collaboration with the Linde Group in manufacture and sales of lift trucks, agreeing to make Komatsu Forklift Co., Ltd. a joint venture between the two.
⦁    2000, Komatsu: Komatsu acquires Hensley Industries, Inc.
⦁    2000, CESAB, Toyota: Toyota Industries Group acquires CESAB.
⦁    2000, Hoist: Hoist ⦁    acquires Elwell-Parker.
⦁    2001, Hoist: Hoist acquires Schreck and Autolift.
⦁    2003, Clark: Clark Material Handling Company ⦁    is acquired by Young An Hat Company of Korea.
⦁    2005, Doosan: Doosan ⦁    acquires Daewoo Heavy Industries.
⦁    2006, Toyota: Toyota Material Handling Group (TMHG) is established.
⦁    2006, Linde: Linde Material Handling breaks off from the Linde Group and ⦁    becomes a part of the KION Group. The KION Group is then⦁     acquired by Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
⦁    2006, Prime Mover: BT decides to ⦁    discontinue offeringPrime Mover brand
⦁    2007, Nissan: ⦁    Nissan Forklift acquires Atlet AB.
⦁    2007, Komatsu: Komatsu Forklift Co., Ltd. is integrated into Komatsu Utility Co., Ltd. after Komatsu buys out Linde’s portion of the joint venture.
⦁    2007, Doosan: ⦁    Doosan acquires Bobcat USA.
⦁    2009, TCM: TCM Corporation ⦁    becomes a subsidiary of Hitachi Construction Machinery Co., Ltd.
⦁    2010, Jungheinrich: Jungheinrich ⦁    enters into an agreement with Mitsubishi Caterpillar Forklift America to supply narrow aisle and walkie equipment to the MCF USA network.
⦁    2011, UniCarriers: UniCarriers Holdings Corporation (Japan) is ⦁    established.
⦁    2012, Hyster, Yale: ⦁    Hyster-Yale Materials Handling, Inc. is established as an offshoot of NMHG (NACCO Industries, Inc.).
⦁    2012, Nissan, TCM, UniCarriers: Nissan Forklift Co., Ltd. and TCM Corporation join UniCarriers Group.
⦁    2012, Linde: ⦁    Weichai Power becomes an investor in the KION Group.
⦁    2012, Cascade, Toyota: ⦁    Cascade is acquired by Toyota Industries.
⦁    2014, UniCarriers: ⦁    UniCarriers acquires Crepa B.V., a Dutch forklift sales company, and New England Industrial Truck, Inc.
⦁    2015, Mitsubishi, UniCarriers:⦁     Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd. acquires UniCarriers in an attempt to compete with Toyota and the KION Group, the world’s top forklift manufacturers.
This information was gathered from the histories published on the websites of the various companies included on the timeline. Supporting information was also found through news sites, like those linked in some of the information above.

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Makes one Wonder if any parts can remain available after all that spit swapping!!!

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I have been amazed at the availability of parts. Between "https://www.reliancepowerparts.com/Products/SearchProducts
" and "ag kits" I found everything I needed except liners. Ebay had an oil pump. The most difficult was specs, but I am away now.
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A couple more points of interest.

I purchased the oil pump from, Rock Valley Tractor Parts, 1-800-831-8543, Scott. Good price used part, great service.

I was frustrated with Jensales, They lead me along for several weeks before telling me they had nothing at all for me. They listed having everything I wanted, including liners. They even said they had my manuals, but did not. It could be the Buda, but others had my parts, except the liners and manuals.

I purchased main bearings, rod bearings, rings, complete gasket set and rebuilt the head. The oil pump drive gear was destroyed. This engine took water in the exhaust, accumulated in the oil pan, froze, then the engine was forced to turn over which broke two teeth from the oil pump drive gear. A saving grace, the distributor is also driven by that gear, so it would not start. The rings were wore right out and a fair bit of wear in the liners allowed the water to pass through quickly and do very little damage to the cylinder walls, they honed up nice. A bit oversize, but no pits.

This company has the service and parts manual for my forklift, but wrong engine.
http://www.ssbtractor.com/tractor_manual_display.cgi?m=Misc.%20Tractors&o=Kalmar%20AC%20ACP80%20%20AK0130070

I believe the Buda 6B230—6 cylinder gas engine was in the Cockshutt 40.

And lastly, I am very curious to date this unit if anyone can help.


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I am also facing the same situation when rebuilding my Af30 D. Then, I searched everywhere possible but couldn't find what I needed. Then finally one of my friends who help me to get all the necessary parts for my machine. He worked as an administrator role in a boom lift rental service company. I think you can also try something like that


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